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You: How do you feel about abortion?

Stranger: conflicted

Stranger: on the one hand preserving life is what a country should do... on the other hand the woman's freedom and equality should be respected

You: Do you believe that freedom should include the right to take away another person's freedom?

Stranger: no but where does personhood begin?

You: Shouldn't personhood include all human beings?

Stranger: if it isn't at conception, when is it?

You: Why can't it be at conception?

Stranger: no I'm agreeing

You: So you believe that personhood begins at conception?

Stranger: human life should be protected

Stranger: no

Stranger: human life begins at conception

You: But personhood doesn't?

Stranger: do you consider a mentally challenged human a person?

Stranger: no, personhood doesnt begin there, but human life

You: Of course I do.

You: When does personhood begin?

Stranger: when human life begins to think

You: What do you mean by "think"?

Stranger: own thoughts and expressions

Stranger: "i want food" is such an expression

You: Does this extend to other animals as well?

Stranger: no it's not human life

You: Why does it have to be human life?

Stranger: because our topic is abortion?

You: But isn't it important to first establish a definition of personhood before we discuss abortion?

Stranger: it doesn't extend to other animals, because they aren't able to think about future and past....

Stranger: it's instinct for them and they don't actively think about past

You: So you have to be able to think about the future and the past to be a person?

Stranger: yes

You: What about human newborns, who act only on instinct for several months after birth?

Stranger: they are not persons, they are human life

You: But can't they have thoughts like "I want food."?

Stranger: yes i should have clarified

Stranger: an active thought which you can think about itself

Stranger: not instinct

Stranger: so newborns arent included

You: So by your definition, are newborns and those with severe Alzheimer's not persons?

Stranger: newborns arent persons, alzheimer patients were persons, and are now severely limited in their personhood

Stranger: they can plan for a few minutes or for a day

Stranger: so they are human life, no persons anymore

You: If someone is mentally handicapped or degraded to a point where they have the mental age of a newborn, are they a person?

Stranger: no, they are a human

Stranger: and not a person

You: Is it okay to kill them, then?

Stranger: no

Stranger: because human life is protected

You: Should I be allowed to kill a newborn or someone with the mental age of a newborn?

Stranger: it depends

Stranger: no it doesnt depend

Stranger: you should not be allowed

You: What about my freedom?

Stranger: in abortion, its a question if the unborn will prevent a womans freedom

Stranger: if you already have given birth to a newborn, you are responsible for it

Stranger: and if you have already given birth to a baby who will stay a baby mentally forever

Stranger: you are responsible for it

Stranger: you haven't taken measures during or before pregnancy

You: What if it's someone else's baby? Could I kill it then?

Stranger: unborn? no, it's not your body

Stranger: born baby? what are you thinking?

You: What if it's someone else's born baby?

Stranger: human life is protected

You: So my freedom doesn't extend to the taking of human life?

Stranger: it doesnt

Stranger: unless it concerns your body

Stranger: same with unborn and defending yourself

You: What do you mean "defending yourself"?

Stranger: you can take a humans life in defense of your body, if they are threatening to kill you

Stranger: if they severely limit your freedom or want to take away your personhood, you can defend yourself from the threat

You: Should abortion be allowed at 9 months?

Stranger: no

Stranger: you havent been limited by the pregnancy and had enough time to think about how it affects your freedom, now you have a responsibility

You: Have you seen the show "I Didn't Know I Was Pregnant!"?

Stranger: no

Stranger: ignorance is really no excuse in law

You: If someone doesn't find out they were pregnant until late in the pregnancy for whatever reason, should they be allowed an abortion at 9 months?

Stranger: they weren't educated, they didn't educate themselves and it is not their fault

Stranger: but being dumb is no excuse

You: But what if they weren't dumb? What if they have a medical condition whose symptoms are very similar to those of pregnancy, and they were using contraception, so they just didn't realize they were pregnant until very late in the pregnancy?

Stranger: it's not dumbness, it's uninformedness and maybe ignorance

Stranger: and with this far into pregnancy, why do you want to abort? it will still be painful

Stranger: the baby can be given to adoption if you so desire

You: What if they fell into a coma before they found out they were pregnant, and only now recovered?

Stranger: but human life is and should be protected, your life now so far into this pregnancy is not being restricted

You: When should the cut-off be for when abortion is allowed?

Stranger: when doctors say so it is

Stranger: really if abortion and healthy delivery are almost the same procedure...

Stranger: girls and women would probably be hurting themselves far more by aborting this far into pregnancy

Stranger: than actually delivering

You: If it's their body, why shouldn't they be allowed to make that decision?

Stranger: because their body is not restricted in any way this far into pregnancy

You: What do you mean?

You: Isn't it much more restricting to be very pregnant?

Stranger: pregnant for a few more days? it would be the same procedure as a delivery but with a dead born!

Stranger: it's restricting to be pregnant, yes!

You: If you're 8 months pregnant, how are you not more restricted than if you are 2 months pregnant?

Stranger: because you could live with it

You: You could live with what?

Stranger: you already were 8 months pregnant

Stranger: you have endured the pregnancy

Stranger: it's not less restricting, but you have apparently had no restrictions whatsoever

You: What if you'd just woken up from a coma?

Stranger: you haven't woken up because of a pregnancy... then you'd have to deliver the baby, because it's healthier for you and the unborn, and it doesn't restrict your freedom

You: So if a woman has just woken up from an 8-month coma and discovers she's pregnant, and she's freaking out and really wants an abortion, she should be denied one/

Stranger: well

You: *?

Stranger: im not a doctor

Stranger: but it would still be roughly the same procedure for a dead baby

Stranger: she would probably freak out more if there is a dead baby coming out of her life-bearing organ

You: If it's her body, shouldn't it be up to her?

Stranger: we're repeating ourselves

Stranger: and yes it is up to her

Stranger: but when it doesn't make a difference, the human life should be protected

You: It makes a difference to her. She really wants to abort.

Stranger: why is she so cruel then?

Stranger: is she sadist and wants to see a dead baby?

You: Does it matter? It's her body, isn't it?

Stranger: it's not her body anymore

You: What do you mean?

Stranger: it's that of another life, too

You: Could you hang on a second while I fix something to eat?

Stranger: she should come to her senses after calming down and think that delivery is really the best option so far into pregnancy

Stranger: of course she will freak out!

Stranger: it's a fucking horror scenario

Stranger: yeahhh im gonna call it a day but its been fun bye...

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You: How do you feel about abortion?

Stranger: pro

Stranger: abortion is made of win

Stranger: :D

You: Why?

Stranger: it is cheating life itself, in the words of Eric Cartman

Stranger: i feel no reason to be against it

You: So is murder.

Stranger: no

Stranger: that is ending life

You: So is abortion.

Stranger: cheating it is disallowing it in the first place

Stranger: abortion is not ending life

You: You're thinking of contraception.

You: Abortion ends a life.

Stranger: no

Stranger: it prevents life from beginning

You: abor·tion noun \ə-ˈbȯr-shən\
Definition of ABORTION

1
: the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus: as

Stranger: and personally, i dont even care if it is murder

You: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abortion

Stranger: it is not a self aware organism

You: Contraception prevents a life from beginning.

Stranger: it is a group of cells

You: So? It's still alive.

Stranger: so yes it is murder

You: Cells are units of life.

Stranger: but so is taking antibiotics

Stranger: so you go to hell for taking cough medicine?

Stranger: is that what youre saying?

You: So you have to be self-aware to have rights?

Stranger: so you disable your immune system?

Stranger: to save all those little single celled organisms who are living off of you?

Stranger: all the little bugs?

You: Are you saying only self-aware human beings have rights?

Stranger: no

Stranger: I am saying that people, self aware or not

Stranger: do not have rights

Stranger: you only have what you think you should have

Stranger: what you choose to have

Stranger: what you CAN and WILL take

Stranger: as a right

Stranger: the US army has spent years murdering people in afghanistan

Stranger: that is supported by christians

You: So is it okay to kill a newborn, who has no concept of "rights", and thus cannot claim any?

You: I don't give a crap what Christians support.

Stranger: yes

Stranger: yes

Stranger: and its not a newborn

Stranger: it is a foetus

You: I wasn't asking about a fetus.

You: I asked about a newborn.

You: Is it okay to kill a newborn?

Stranger: it is ok to kill anything that could do you harm

Stranger: I mean, shit, it happens in the animal kingdom all the time

Stranger: it is a natural process

Stranger: Lions will kill a lioness's cubs so she will be open to mating

Stranger: it is NATURAL

You: So there would be nothing wrong with just going around and shooting up a local preschool? Someone who did that should face no reprocussions?

Stranger: Depends entirely why they did it

Stranger: if it were a preschool in afghanistan

Stranger: where the taliban were hiring childrent

Stranger: who would be raised to fight

Stranger: and shoot

Stranger: and kill

Stranger: then yes

Stranger: it would be alright

Stranger: everything is subject to perspective

You: Why? What's wrong with what the Taliban are doing?

Stranger: what, raising children to fight?

You: According to you, it's totally natural to kill people.

Stranger: oh yes it is

You: How can you judge the Taliban as wrong?

Stranger: I never said it was wrong

Stranger: but it is in our nature to save ourselves at the cost of others

Stranger: to make it so that there is no competition

Stranger: hence, eliminate the opposition

You: Should a mother be allowed to kill her four-month-old child to make her life easier?

Stranger: well, it would be preferable to have an abortion before hand (WHICH IS WHY ABORTION IS THERE DUUUUUUUH), or to drop the kid off at an orphanage

Stranger: but, yes, if it were dependant on the survival of the mother, yes

Stranger: again, this is something natural

Stranger: i mean, if the mother died anyway, the child would die anyway

You: Why would it be preferable to have an abortion or drop the kid at an orphanage?

Stranger: because that would limit the suffering of the child with the same outcome for the mother

Stranger: I am not pro-suffering

Stranger: i am just anti-illogical

You: But suffering is natural.

Stranger: suffering is natural

Stranger: but so is the base instinct to avoid suffering at any cost

Stranger: that is why people feel pain

Stranger: and fear

Stranger: :/

You: And so is the base instinct not to kill your offspring.

Stranger: USE LOGIC PLEASE

Stranger: UNTIL IT PUTS YOUR LIFE IN DANGER

Stranger: as proven by the points above

You: The mother's life is not put at danger by the four-month-old, but you still said she can kill him.

Stranger: I said if it put the mothers life in danger

Stranger: IF YOU COULD PLEASE TRY READING

Stranger: :/

Stranger: durr

You: You said she could kill the child if it was dependent on her.

You: You said nothing about her life being in danger.

Stranger: on her survival

Stranger: dependant on her survival

Stranger: QUOTE

Stranger: :

Stranger: but, yes, if it were dependant on the survival of the mother, yes

Stranger: if the mother's survival depended on it

Stranger: DURR

You: "If it were dependent on the survival of the mother" and "if the mother's survival depended on it" are different things.

Stranger: no they arent

You: In fact, they're opposites.

Stranger: same thing phrased differently

You: There's a difference between "A depends on B" and "B is dependent on A"

Stranger: pah

Stranger: whatever

Stranger: my point still stands

You: If her life didn't depend on killing him, should she be allowed to?

Stranger: it doesnt mean I was wrong

Stranger: it depends on the situation

Stranger: if the child were to suffer needlessly before dying anyway, then yes

Stranger: it is RELATIVE TO PERSPECTIVE

You: The child is a healthy child; she just wants to kill him to make her life easier.

Stranger: in what way easier?

You: She doesn't have to take care of him anymore.

Stranger: what way would she kill him?

Stranger: would it suffer?

You: Not for long.

Stranger: then, well, if she has the stones to do it herself, then yes

Stranger: as you say

Stranger: there is a base instince

Stranger: instinct to preserve the life of the child

You: She tried to smother him.

Stranger: if she can do it yes

You: She should be allowed to?

Stranger: it takes a lot of willpower to overcome the mothering instinct

Stranger: yes

Stranger: why not?

You: Because she tried to murder her son!

Stranger: so?

You: So that's wrong!

Stranger: it makes it more of a crime than murdering a complete stranger in the name of your country?

Stranger: for reasons that someone else chooses?

You: I'm not for murdering foreigners either!

Stranger: it is not your place to tell people what to do or why

Stranger: you cannot force your opinions on other people

Stranger: just because you see it as right

Stranger: it doesnt make it right

Stranger: logic and reason should overcome the teachings of a society wrapped in bubbles and sunshine

Stranger: the world is a cruel harsh place

You: If someone decided to run into an elementary school, rape the kids, slowly torture the teachers, and set the place on fire, there would be nothing wrong with that?

Stranger: there would be a lot wrong with that

Stranger: that is a goal of hatred and rage

Stranger: of inflicting pain

Stranger: I said earlier that I do not support SUFFERING

You: Should they be allowed to do it?

Stranger: No

You: Why not?

Stranger: because that is an agenda of inflicting suffering and pain needlessly

Stranger: it is illogica

Stranger: illogical

Stranger: and stupid

You: According to you.

You: Why is it your place to tell people what to do or why?

Stranger: it isnt

You: You can't force your opinions on other people.

Stranger: it is my place to say what is logical or not

Stranger: because logic is basic

Stranger: like maths

Stranger: a universal absolute

You: You said he shouldn't be allowed to do that.

Stranger: Im not forcing it

Stranger: im not stopping anyone from doing

Stranger: it

Stranger: im not going out of my way to

Stranger: stop them

You: Oh, right, I misread.

Stranger: I just think that they shouldnt

Stranger: Im not saying that I wont allow them to

You: Wait, no I read it right.

You: You: Should they be allowed to do it?
Stranger: No

You: You said they shouldn't be allowed to do it.

Stranger: SHOULD THEY BE

Stranger: SHOULD

Stranger: HYPOTHETICAL

Stranger: it is a question of given that you could choose for it not to happen or for it to happen

Stranger: not ''would you force them not to''

You: If they did do it, should they face consequences?

Stranger: Yes

Stranger: because it is NOT NESSESSARY

Stranger: there is a law

Stranger: ''what is nessessary, is legal''

Stranger: nessessary

Stranger: that is not nessessary

You: Neither is abortion.

Stranger: it is not something in which your life would hang in the balance if it did or did not happen

Stranger: and abortion can be

You: I'm not saying I'm against life-saving emergency abortions.

Stranger: you said abortion in general

You: 99% of abortions aren't.

Stranger: is it now ok to decide WHEN abortion is ok?

Stranger: thats rather hypocritical dont you think?

You: You're the one who said murder is okay WHEN it's necessary.

Stranger: yes

Stranger: and I said that from the beginning

Stranger: at the beginning of this conversation

Stranger: you said abortion is murder

Stranger: and murder is wrong

You: So aren't you a hypocrite?

Stranger: ergo

Stranger: abortion is wrong

Stranger: but OH WAIT

Stranger: NOW

Stranger: its oh, abortion is wrong EXCEPT WHEN

Stranger: dot dot dot

Stranger: HYPOCRITE

You: When did I say abortion was murder?

Stranger: and no

Stranger: right about here

Stranger: So is murder.
You: no
You: that is ending life
Stranger: So is abortion.
You: cheating it is disallowing it in the first place
You: abortion is not ending life
Stranger: You're thinking of contraception.
Stranger: Abortion ends a life.
You: no
You: it prevents life from beginning
Stranger: abor·tion noun ə-ˈbȯr-shən\nDefinition of ABORTION

1
: the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus: as

Stranger: there

You: I said it ended a life.

You: I didn't say it was murder.

Stranger: which you called murder

Stranger: ending a life is murder apparently

You: Squares, rectangles.

Stranger: ''so is murder'' ''so is abortion''

Stranger: you alikened them to the same thing

Stranger: gave them the same definition

Stranger: made them out to be equal

You: Abortion and murder are both ending life, but that doesn't mean abortion is murder.

You: Riddle me this, is an apple an orange?

Stranger: one, dont say riddle me this

Stranger: it is sad

Stranger: :/

Stranger: and two, likening two things to one another or equivilising two things to one another, especially in the manner you were, is IMPLYING that they were the same thing

Stranger: and you were implying for the sake of your argument

Stranger: and I know

You: I implied nothing. You inferred.

Stranger: IMPLYING is not the same as saying

Stranger: but hey

Stranger: dont be pedantic

You: Apples and oranges are both fruits. Does that mean that apples are oranges or that oranges are apples?

You: No.

Stranger: but they are both fruits

You: Abortion is homicide, and in some cases homicide is not wrong.

You: And abortion and murder are both taking life.

You: That doesn't mean abortion is murder.

Stranger: ha

Stranger: now youre arguing my side of the argument for me

Stranger: this is awesome

You: No, I'm not.

You: I'm just saying you're arguing against a strawman.

Stranger: no

Stranger: im arguing against an idiot

You: Abortion is an act of homicide. Like all homicide, it is sometimes wrong and sometimes not.

You: If it is to save your life, like homicide in general, it is sad but acceptable.

You: Otherwise, it's wrong.

Stranger: THAT WAS MY ARGUMENT JACKASS

You: Okay, it looks like we're misunderstanding each other. :/

Stranger: no

Stranger: looks like YOU misunderstood me

Stranger: and then tried to outwit me

Stranger: and make me look a tool

You: You misunderstood my point about murder.

Stranger: but poorly applying ethics

You: How do you feel about abortion that is not done to save the mother's life?

Stranger: if it is to end a child that will suffer

Stranger: pro

Stranger: frankly, im just generally pro abortion

Stranger: fuck it

Stranger: not my problem

Stranger: im not gunna stop people doing to their body what they want to do

You: The fetus isn't their body, though; the fetus is another organism.

Stranger: which is inside their bodyt

You: Yes.

Stranger: the fetus is

Stranger: AT THAT POINT

Stranger: a parasite

You: "Inside" and "part of" are not the same thing.

Stranger: and it is part of at that point too

Stranger: it shares the same circulatory system

You: That's not true.

Stranger: it is

Stranger: thats what the ambilical chord is for duh

You: Nutrient exchange occurs through the placenta.

Stranger: indeed it does

Stranger: but before a heart is formed

Stranger: the ovum depends entirely upon mother's nutrients

You: Nutrients, yes.

You: And the nutrients come from her circulatory system.

Stranger: so it is a part of her body

You: They do not, however, share a circulatory system.

Stranger: just like a cancerous tumor

Stranger: they do at that point

Stranger: until the foetus develops a circulatory system of its own

You: The mother's blood never enters the fetus, only the nutrients.

Stranger: the blood never enters muscle tissue either

Stranger: that process occours by diffusion too

Stranger: does that mean a muscle does not share the circulatory system with the organism?

You: Are you denying that the embryo is an organism?

Stranger: no

Stranger: all cells are organisms

You: No, they aren't.

Stranger: every cell is a seperate organism

Stranger: yes they are

Stranger: SINGLE CELLED ORGANISMS

You: Yes, but not all cells are organisms.

You: Some cells are part of organisms.

You: I am an organism. My thumb is not.

Stranger: how are you defining organsim right now?

Stranger: because the organelles in a cell are the cell's organs if you want to be pedantic

Stranger: which makes all cells organisms

You: No, they aren't.

You: They're cells, parts of a larger organism.

Stranger: so youre classing organism as a creature made up of lots of systems built up of seperate organs?

You: I'm not here to teach you 7th grade biology.

Stranger: im checking to what level youre classing organism

Stranger: I do A level biology

You: The fetus is not part of the mother.

Stranger: it is up to a certain stage of development

You: The fetus is dependent on her, yes.

You: But not a part of her.

Stranger: until it develops its own systems

Stranger: it is not an organism

Stranger: and until it becomes a seperate organism it is a part of the mother

Stranger: therefore it is the mother's right

Stranger: and even AFTER it becomes an organism

You: The fetus is a separate organism from conception. This is BASIC SCIENCE.

Stranger: by the points I have just made, no it is not

Stranger: Organism is a creature made up of lots of seperate systems

You: An organism that is dependent on another is still an organism

Stranger: if the creature does not have systems

Stranger: it is not an organism

Stranger: by your own BASIC SCIENCE DEFINITION

You: You're putting words in my mouth.

Stranger: a body made up of organs

Stranger: that is the definition of an organism

You: You said that, not me.

Stranger: that is THE DEFINITION

Stranger: THE ACTUAL DEFINITION

Stranger: without organs

Stranger: it is NOT an organism

Stranger: if it is not an organism

You: zygote
The single-celled organism that results from the joining of the egg and sperm.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/glossary-4338.htm#z

Stranger: it is a part of the mother

Stranger: that is the SINGLE CELLED ORGANISM definition

Stranger: made up of organelles

Stranger: which is what I asked you before you jackass

You: Not all cells are organisms.

Stranger: that also means that every cell in the body is an organism

You: A zygote is.

Stranger: form of life, such as a plant, animal, bacterium, protist, or fungus; a body made up of organs, organelles, or other parts that work together to carry on the various processes of life.

Stranger: all cells have organelles used to carry out the functions of life

Stranger: all cells are, therefore by that definition, organisms

Stranger: you have just been scienced

Stranger: now stfu

Stranger: :P

You: No.

Stranger: yes

You: A cell is PART of an organism.

Stranger: so is a zygote

Stranger: a zygote carries the INFORMATION for an organism

Stranger: but at the joining stage of sperm and egg

Stranger: it is still a cell

You: zygote One-celled organism resulting from fertilization. (40)

http://www.mhhe.com/socscience/devel/common/gloss/s-z.htm

Stranger: which is, TECHNICALLY an organism

Stranger: NO MORE SO THAN ANY OTHER CELL IN THE HUMAN BODY

You: The sperm and egg merge to form a little single-celled organism called a zygote

http://health.howstuffworks.com/pregnancy-and-parenting/pregnancy/issues/pregnancy1.htm

You: The human body is an organism.

Stranger: NO MORE SO THAN ANY OTHER CELL IN THE HUMAN BODY

You: No, individual cells in a human ARE NOT ORGANISMS.

Stranger: yes they are

You: No, they aren't. They're cells.

Stranger: The cell is the functional basic unit of life

You: Yes, they're what multicellular organisms are made of.

You: Cells are no more organisms than fingers are people.

Stranger: and, standalone, they are themselves single celled organisms

You: No, they're cells.

Stranger: a finger, along, if you left it with food would not survive

You: Not all cells are organisms.

Stranger: a cell in the human body, if left with food, would flourish, and grow, and divide

Stranger: it has organelles which carry out the basic functions of life

Stranger: which is the definition of organism

You: If you just plop a cell next to a hamburger, it would die.

Stranger: if you plop a zygote next to a hamburger it would die too

Stranger: JACKASS

Stranger: >:/

You: If you took a finger and pumped blood through it so all of its cells got nutrients, it wouldn't die.

Stranger: but then it would be attatched to a circulatory system

You: So?

Stranger: so it could not survive without the whole

Stranger: it could not survive on its own

Stranger: any cell in the human body could

You: It needs something to get the nutrients to its cells. An ad hoc "circulatory system" is the most efficient way to do that.

Stranger: yes

Stranger: so it cannot stand alone

Stranger: a cell can

Stranger: but look

Stranger: i need to go in a min

Stranger: ive loved this convo

Stranger: do you have an email address

You: Yeah.

Stranger: we could continue?

You:

Stranger: awesome

Stranger: Ill see you later bro

Stranger: :L

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