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You: hi

Stranger: Hi

You: What's your opinion on abortion?

Stranger: İ do not have any :)

Stranger: Never had U know .:)

You: No abortions or no opinion?

Stranger: Both

Stranger: But must-be

Stranger: Free

Stranger: Definetly

You: Huh

You: ?

Stranger: Why do U ask anyways

You: Because lives are on the line.

Stranger: In a religious way, its no Good but who cares? An uninvited little cuty must not exist

You: What?

Stranger: It's your life not the baby s

You: I'm not religious but I don't kill people.

Stranger: Killing people? You kill animals to live? Kill nature? But no people?? Come on, of course you do

You: Since when is nature a person?

Stranger: It's your life! Think that

Stranger: But. U r a retard so doesn't matter. You r the nature!

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You: What's your stance on abortion?

Stranger: its the womens coice

You: Through all 9 months?

Stranger: whats gives a group of women to decide what is rigt or worng for another women

Stranger: yes

You: What about after birth, before the cord is cut?

You: There was a recent case in Virginia where that happened.

You: They couldn't prosecute her because the afterbirth was not yet delivered.

Stranger: i think if the baby is born and came out the vag.. just give it up for the adoption.(but thats just me) if someone one decided to term it then...welll they have to live with the deciion not me

You: Lots of people don't know they were pregnant until birth.

You: There's a whole TV series about it.

Stranger: what give me or u the right to say what to do...its really none of anyone business

Stranger: yes i see it all the time on ie TLC or something

Stranger: or u a female?

You: If I decide to rape my daughter, is that anybody's business but my own?

Stranger: first off that is sick....but if u dont it it alll ur business until u get caught adn its made publice...then its everyone business

You: Who are you to say what's right for me?

Stranger: welll rape is wrong...just go and jerk it...plus ummm its the law

You: Abortion is also wrong.

Stranger: but u said u live in virginia...u people down south are into some fuked up she i am sure its a normal thing down there

You: I live in Ohio.

Stranger: thats ur opinion but its not mine

You: I was mentioning a news story from Virginia,

Stranger: fag it i fucken hate ohio and everyone and everything in it

You: hey i didnt choose to be born here

Stranger: here we go stillers ere we go!

Stranger: here we go stillers here we go

You: what if I am of the the opinion that rape is not wrong?

Stranger: yea ur right...ur mom should of had an abortion

You: does a KKK member have a right to lynch blacks because he thinks it's okay? or to we force him not to do something immoral?

You: if abortion is immoral, it should be illegal

Stranger: see now ur changing the subject...that what people like u try and do with subjects of abortion and shit....u bring something ele up that has no relevance to the topic at hand and u try and take words and put them into other peoples mouth...and u do that to try and sound smart and educated like u know what ur talking about but really honestly u have not clues

You: Do you or do you not think that abortion is immoral?

Stranger: first it was abortion , then rape, now lynching?

Stranger: i told u what i though of it fuck nuts

You: If it could be demonstrated that it was immoral, would you oppose it?

Stranger: give me of and example of hw it is immoral or will be proven immoral first

You: Okay.

You: Do you support infanticide?

Stranger: what does that have to do with abortion...see ur changing the subject agin...stick to the topic at han

You: I am not changing the subject.

Stranger: yes u are

You: It's the same baby before or after birth.

Stranger: what that have to do with abortion..

Stranger: but its not abortion..oborting is terminating the pregnancy....infanticie is just illing infants. which is not the same as abortion...fuck nuts

Stranger: dude ur trying to sound all smart and educted and u just are making an ass outta ur self

You: Abortion is defined as the termination of a pregnancy after, resulting in, or directly followed by the death of the embryo or fetus

You: pregnancies can also be terminated by birth

Stranger: right embryo and fetus....ur taling about kiing infants

You: So, what's the difference?

Stranger: ok infnts are living breathing and came out the vag for longer that a week

You: Is a premature baby born at 30 weeks more important than a fetus still in the womb at 40 weeks?

Stranger: if a baby is not fully outta the vage it is not considered an infant

Stranger: or born

You: What do you mean "for longer than a week"?

Stranger: exactly what i said....alive and breathing for a week fuck nuts

You: So a baby born a day ago can be killed?

Stranger: see u read one article and u think u know what ur talking baout but u dont

You: If it hasn't been breathing for a week?

Stranger: no...forget that comment

You: Okay.

You: The fetus is alive in the womb, you know.

You: If it wasn't, it wouldn't need food.

Stranger: alll i am saying is that infanticide is killing of infants..if a women holds a baby the fuly 9 months and wants it aboted tht just let the babys head come out..give the mom meds to stop contractions and then they scramble the brains and deliever the rest of the baby...its not considers infanticide becue majority of the body is still in the vag and is not considereed born yet

You: And its cells wouldn't be dividing.

You: That's disgusting!

Stranger: well that all opiion as well...i dont think something is alsive until it is fully outta the vag

You: You would support that?

Stranger: if that wht awomen/family wants i have no right to stop the

You: No, the scientific definition of life is metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and cellular organization

Stranger: ok sooooooooo?

You: Yet you have a right to stop them from infanticide?

You: If that's what they want?

Stranger: loook dude get ur facts straight before u try ato soun like ur know what ur talking about

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You: What's your stance on abortion?

Stranger: Hey

Stranger: Why do you need to know?

You: Just curious.

Stranger: Well, mine is absolutely non-religious

Stranger: I'm atheist you see

You: So is mine.

You: OMG me too!

Stranger: And I'd say that it all depends on the situation

You: When is it wrong?

Stranger: If she is pregnant with a baby which could ruin her life, she should get an abortion

Stranger: A fetus isn't a fully developed human conciousness

Stranger: Thus, it's just about as big of a deal as an animal

You: What do you mean by "human consciousness"?

Stranger: That's my stance anyway

You: Do you mean self-awareness?

Stranger: It's cannot think, it does not have a personality, and it won't mind.

Stranger: The crucial bit is "it"

You: Fetuses have gender.

Stranger: But we do not refer to them as "He" or "She"

You: We do if we know the gender.

Stranger: Generally fetus is refered to as "it"

Stranger: Either way, all depends on the situation

You: Only if the sex is unknown.

You: Then again, we call newborns "it" if we don't know the gender.

Stranger: *Siiigh*

Stranger: Situation is all. That's my opinion

You: So, are you saying that a fetus has no rights because the fetus does not possess the capability for self-awareness or rational thought?

Stranger: Give me a second

Stranger: This kind of thing is morally grey

You: It is the killing of one human being by another. Homicide, plain and simple.

Stranger: Why do you ask my opinion when you have yours?

You: You are using an arbitrary psychological distinction to deny a segment of the population their respect and dignity as human beings.

You: It's not an opinion that abortion is homicide

Stranger: Just on a side note

Stranger: http://www.cracked.com/article_18405_7-insane-ways-music-affects-body-according-to-science.html

Stranger: Whoa

Stranger: But anyway

You: i was gonna read that but it didnt look interesting

You: hom⋅i⋅cide  [hom-uh-sahyd, hoh-muh-] Show IPA
–noun
1. the killing of one human being by another.
2. a person who kills another; murderer.

Stranger: You know, the more complicated words you use the more complicated the answer is going to become

You: Homicide is a very simple word.

Stranger: Genius is in simplicity

Stranger: You are using an arbitrary psychological distinction to deny a segment of the population their respect and dignity as human beings.

Stranger: I was refering to that

You: That is true.

You: You say that the offspring in utero is less developed intellectually, and, thus, is ethically irrelevant.

You: I see that as appalling and discriminatory.

Stranger: Hey, to each his own.

You: If we go down that road, Dr. Peter Singer is correct in saying infants have no rights.

Stranger: I have never heard of Dr. Peter Singer

Stranger: Besides

Stranger: His opinion is irrevalent.

Stranger: Every case is unique

You: It is a fact that human newborns are not self-aware.

You: In every case, the offspring is a living member of the species homo sapiens.

You: And, thus, every abortion is homicide.

Stranger: Thankyou, stranger, you are confusing me more and more as we go along. When we started this conversation I had a pretty clear idea in my mind, but now it is long lost

Stranger: Thanks.

You: I'm just clarifying that, if you're going to say "A fetus isn't a fully developed human conciousness", that would apply to newborns as well

Stranger: Actually, now that I think ofit

Stranger: it*

You: Nothing psychological changes at birth.

Stranger: I think it is wrong to have an abortion only after 23 weeks of pregnancy

You: Why?

You: What changes then that makes the 22 week fetus unimportant?

Stranger: I think it is after that amount of time that a Fetus can survive without the help of the mother

Stranger: I'm not entirely sure though

You: The point of viability changes culturally.

Stranger: *Sigh*

Stranger: On an off-topic note

You: In Africa, where the medicine is not as advanced, viability is later.

Stranger: Why are you on this website

You: Because I felt like it.

Stranger: Only 5% of people on here are not pubescant males who ask for CAM2CAM!!!!

You: When artificial wombs are perfected, viability will be at conception.

Stranger: Asking them about abortion would be rather stupid

Stranger: Artificial wombs

You: Yeah, it's my horny teen detterant

Stranger: Wait until the church hears of that.

You: What do you mean?

Stranger: What do you think would be Catholic's reaction to a synthetic womb?

You: No clue. They aren't mentioned in the Bible.

Stranger: Hell, it might go to the point of another Schism.

Stranger: It'll be Northern Ireland, only all over the world

Stranger: Future here we come.

You: LOL

Stranger: I'm glad you find that amusing

Stranger: You won't be that happy when a mad catholic will try to fuck you over because of this.

You: So, as medical technology increases and viability gets pushed further and further back, will embryos magically become valuable?

You: What?

Stranger: Nevermind

Stranger: Erm

Stranger: Who knows.

Stranger: Time will tell

Stranger: Right now I'm just going to live my life

Stranger: They tell me that these are the best years of my life

You: Nothing changes philosophically at viability.

Stranger: Right.

Stranger: That helped.

Stranger: Why don't you just leave the topic alone and use a condom or something else

You: I'm a virgin.

Stranger: So am I.

Stranger: I suppose it shows

You: But I don't leave it alone because over a third of my generation was aborted.

Stranger: We're talking on a random website, about abortion.

You: I used to be a fetus.

You: I take it personally.

Stranger: Most people did.

Stranger: Erm

Stranger: Well

Stranger: Good luck with that.

Stranger: I choose the simple aproach of not caring

Stranger: Until it affects my life anyway

Stranger: Besides, if you take it personally you'll be biased

Stranger: Thus your opinion will be of no value in a debate

You: Are you a guy or girl?

Stranger: Thus it's not worth it

Stranger: Give it an intelligent guess.

You: I have done that as well.

You: Because abortion is homicide, it cannot be tolerated without a damn good reason.

Stranger: The use of a curse indicated emotion

Stranger: Thus you are still very much biased

Stranger: Thus the opinion is irrevalent.

Stranger: Seriously

Stranger: Why do you trouble yourself with this

You: That's some of the worst logic I've read.

Stranger: Hey, better than none

You: My argument can damn well be a fucking good argument, and logic doesn't give a shit how many goddamn cursewords I use.

Stranger: Nice one.

Stranger: It's just that you didn't swear up to that point

Stranger: But anyway

Stranger: Huh, I'm completely dry.

You: Dry?

Stranger: By the way, I take it you are a girl

Stranger: Dry, out of arguments, out of words

Stranger: That kind of thing

You: You take it wrong.

Stranger: What the

Stranger: So you are a guy who cares about abortion

Stranger: This is just outright weird.

You: Hey, half of the fetuses are dudes.

Stranger: Who GIVES TWO SHITS?

You: I suggest you research Dr. Peter Singer. He uses your arguments and says if parents give birth to a disabled infant, they can just say "Oops, doover" and kill him or her

Stranger: It's like you are going to get an abortion

Stranger: Do I sound like the kind of guy who cares about what Dr, Peter Singer says?

Stranger: Dr.*

You: No, and I'm also not going to rape my daughter. I can say both are wrong.

Stranger: Hell of an answer.

You: You should. It's where your premises lead to

Stranger: Alright, let me re-phrase

Stranger: Do I sound like the kind of guy who cares about where my premises lead to?

You: I assumed, as an atheist, you would be logical.

You: I'm sorry.

Stranger: Jeesh

Stranger: I am atheist is simply because I realized what a load of nonsense religion is

Stranger: A guy lived in a "Big fish" for 3 days

You: You should also realize what a load of nonsense infanticide is.

Stranger: An old man went up the mountain, talked to a burning bush, and got commandments from "God"

Stranger: Why should I?

Stranger: I'm 15, why should I care?

You: Because you're a human being, and you should try to not promote evil

Stranger: Evil

Stranger: Hah

Stranger: Everyone is evil in some way

Stranger: But you'll never know

Stranger: Anyway

Stranger: Erm

Stranger: Right, abortion

Stranger: I just came up with an answer to the original question

Stranger: I do not have an opinion

Stranger: It's up to them to decide

You: Up to who?

Stranger: Up to the ones involved

You: Should infanticide be up to the people involved too?

Stranger: How am I supposed to know?

Stranger: I'm 15.

You: It should be common sense that it is wrong to kill a newborn baby.

Stranger: Hey, if it will be up to me I'll avoid getting that fetus in in the first place

Stranger: Kids, nah.

You: There are 3700 babies being aborted every day. That's more than 9/11. It's not something that you can ignore.

Stranger: I don't care too much about 9/11 either

Stranger: I live MY life and let others worry about theirs

You: Do you care about the Holocaust?

Stranger: Nope

Stranger: People die everyday

You: Well, YOUR life began at fertilization.

You: Does that make murder okay?

Stranger: Just because some prick decided that a particular kind of people doesn't make them special

You: There's a difference between homicide and natural death.

Stranger: First world decided that 3rd world shall die of starvation

Stranger: Yeah, being cheated out of money sure is natural.

You: If we went over there with guns and shot them, we'd get arrested.

You: There's a difference.

Stranger: The difference is in politics

Stranger: They're doing pretty much the same thing, only sparring the AMMO

You: Okay, let's say there's a hobo named George in NYC.

You: I live in Ohio.

You: If I drive over and shoot him, I'm arrested.

Stranger: Toughg luck to George, he probably fucked up somewhere along the line

Stranger: Tough*

You: If he dies of cancer, I don't.

Stranger: And?

Stranger: There is a difference between a hobo and a continent

You: People die. That's a fact of life.

You: That doesn't mean that murder is okay.

Stranger: Aha

Stranger: Well

Stranger: Thankyou for a brilliant conversation

Stranger: C ya.

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You: What's your stance on abortion?

Stranger: shouldnt be allowed :P

You: Should it ever?

Stranger: only when the girl is too young ;)

You: Why shouldn't it be allowed otherwise?

Stranger: no good future for the kid :)

You: No, why SHOULDN'T it be allowed if she's old enough?

Stranger: Ah

Stranger: Well more options for her to raise her child

Stranger: Through adoption etc

You: So?

Stranger: You're a tough one, hehe :p

You: I mean, a young girl can also place her kid for adoption. So there must be something else.

You: What about abortion makes it immoral?

Stranger: Yeah but it's quite the experience for the young girl to bare a child

Stranger: and then take it away

You: What if she's one of those girls that only finds out she's pregnant at birth?

You: Can she murder the born baby?

Stranger: How often does that happen really?

You: There's a whole TV series called I Didn't Know I Was Pregnant.

Stranger: In the U.S?

Stranger: Didn't know

You: Yes.

You: On TLC.

Stranger: But anyway, well you can't "murder" a born baby

Stranger: That's cruel

You: Why?

Stranger: Cause I don't consider it a human being when it's still inside a womb

You: It's the same kid as before birth.

Stranger: Outside I do

You: If it's not a human being, what is it?

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You: IT has to be something.

Stranger: Well it's still human ofcourse but I don't consider it one emotionally

Stranger: if you get my drift

You: No, I don't.

Stranger: For me it hasn't lived yet

Stranger: What's your stance on abortion anyway?

You: You are biologically inaccurate.

You: It is a living human being from the moment of conception and you know that.

You: An organism with human parents and human DNA cannot be anything else but human.

Stranger: Yeah, well ofcourse

You: And dead things don't grow or need food.

Stranger: Still, do you consider it alive in the womb?

Stranger: Do you think it has a "soul"?

Stranger: any awareness?

You: I do not believe in souls.

Stranger: Hence "soul" :p

You: But I acknowledge that the unborn child is as human as you and I.

You: By awareness, it depends on what you mean.

You: Conscious self-awareness comes 18 months after birth.

Stranger: Will it notice being aborted? Does it know it's inside the womb

Stranger: I don't think so?

You: So, in that sense, no.

Stranger: But I still don't know your stance on abortion

Stranger: Guess you're against it?

You: If it's a choice between the baby dying or the baby and the mother dying, I would allow it as a last resort.

You: Otherwise, no.

You: I'm against it.

You: If you're going to bring in "will it notice being aborted", it would be fine to kill newborns, the comatose, the sleeping, and fine to kill you quickly with a painless bullet between the eyes.

Stranger: Any religious reason for it? Or plainly moral issues with it?

You: I'm an atheist, so only moral.

Stranger: The difference between the baby and the others is that the previous one never was aware of anything

You: What do you mean?

Stranger: The comatose, I assume they weren't in coma 18 months after birth?

You: Why does that matter?

You: You asked if it would notice being killed.

You: The answer is no regardless of its history.

Stranger: That's your answer, not mine..

You: Stranger: Will it notice being aborted? Does it know it's inside the womb
Stranger: I don't think so?

Stranger: Ah, I thought you meant something else... I didn't expect such a conversation anyway

Stranger: I don't think I can explain it why it matters, it was just how I was raised to think this way

You: You are making an arbitrary psychological distinction that would depersonify newborns in order to discriminate against the unborn.

Stranger: Hmmh

You: Your belief system fails to account for premature infants as well.

You: The only different between a premature baby and an unborn baby is his or her physical location.

You: Neither location nor level of psychological development justify the wholesale slaughter of millions of innocent human beings.

You: I hope you will give this some thought, but I have work to get to.

You: Toodle-oo!

Stranger: See you :)

Stranger: Or well :P

Stranger: Bye! :p

You: u have my email if u wanna talk more

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You: What's your opinion on abortion?

Stranger: hmm i wouldnt do it

Stranger: but i dont mind other people doin git

Stranger: *doing

You: Why wouldn't you do it?

Stranger: cause i think its a murder

You: So you don't mind people murdering other people?

Stranger: hahahah

Stranger: its their own thing if thy wanna kill their unborn child but i couldnt do that to my unborn child

You: if they wanna kill their born child, are you fine with that too?

Stranger: well ofcours not

You: Why not?

Stranger: cause its really murdering

You: What do you mean by that?

Stranger: well if you murder a born child that is alive... its a murder

Stranger: but its not the same if you kill unborn child

You: The unborn child is not alive?

Stranger: it is, but it has not grown so much yet so it would not be the same

You: What do you mean by that?

Stranger: you know there is the time when you can do abort and after that time you cant?

You: In America, that time is called "birth".

Stranger: really?

You: Yes.

Stranger: you can take abortion any time in the pregnancy time you want?

You: Yep.

Stranger: that is stupid

You: There was partial-birth abortion where you kill the baby when only its head was in the birth canal.

You: But we banned that in 2003.

You: There was a HUGE fight against the ban.

You: The ban was almost declared unconstitutional.

Stranger: thats horrible

Stranger: in here you cant do abortion after some time... but i dont just rmember what was the time

You: They'd deliver the baby breach and then stick scissors into the base of the baby's neck

You: and open the scissors

You: and suck the brains out.

Stranger: you are kidding

You: google it

You: http://jonathanfordlee.com/blog/blogImages/partialBirth02.jpg

Stranger: in here you cant do abortion when the baby is more than 20 weeks old

You: but you can still do other procedures on the same baby as long as you keep him in the womb

You: yeah, supposedly the same here

You: but there's an exception for the mother's health

You: the court defined "health" as including age, familial, and socioeconomic issues.

You: If not getting the abortion would make her unhappy at all, it's okay

You: they basically made a loophole big enough to drive a mack truck through

Stranger: hmm im not sure if i understood all of that

You: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doe_v._Bolton#Broad_definition_of_health

Stranger: why did you even ask me this?

You: It's the leading cause of death here.

Stranger: oh

You: The womb is the most dangerous place on the planet.

Stranger: yeah

You: There have been over 50 million babies murdered through abortion in the US alone since it was legalized 37 years and one day ago.

Stranger: i dont know why people do that

Stranger: i mean they should really start to use condoms

You: Condoms fail.

Stranger: well use some other things then

You: No contraception is foolproof.

You: 60% of abortions here are coerced.

Stranger: well its something people do wrong

You: Yeah.

You: So, why is it okay before 20 weeks?

Stranger: well i dont know

Stranger: i dont like abortion

You: Why don't you like abortion?

Stranger: do you like it then?

You: No, I do not.

You: But my reason for opposing abortion is inconsistent with tolerating its legality.

Stranger: many unfamiliar words there

You: ok

You: i oppose abortion

You: because of the reason i oppose abortion, i cannot be fine with it being legal

Stranger: yeah, well its like that gay people cant get married

You: huh?

You: what does gay ppl getting married have to do with murder?

Stranger: or that they cant give blood

Stranger: oh never mind that

Stranger: how old are you?

You: Why does that matter?

Stranger: it doesnt, i just want to know

You: I have no age.

Stranger: okey

Stranger: do you have sex?

You: All the time.

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