Question Dodging

Stranger: what do you think about him then

You: hes a jerk

Stranger: why

You: he hates babies

Stranger: what?

You: hes a jerk

Stranger: how does he hate babies

You: he voted for infanticide

Stranger: abortion?

You: no infanticide

You: there was a bill to make it illegal to kill babies born alive after a failed abortion and he voted against it

Stranger: so it would be better that babies would be born with disformation?

You: huh?

You: Are you saying disabled ppl should be murdered?

You: wtf!

Stranger: aborted before they are boen

You: this bill was making it illegal to kill BORN babies

Stranger: do you have name of the bill

You: Born Alive Infants Protection Act

Stranger: why there are failed abortions

You: huh?

You: what do u mean?

You: hello?

Stranger: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ207/html/PLAW-107publ207.htm

Stranger: that?

You: i guess

Stranger: "regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a
result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced
abortion."

You: is that the federal one?

Stranger: I am not the american here but it says "107th Congress Public Law 207" so I would guess it is

You: he voted against the illinois one

You: why did you quote that section?

Stranger: you have failed abortion and the baby dont have any limbs

Stranger: doesnt sound very humane to me

You: so people without any limbs should be murdered?

Stranger: no you get your human rights when you are certain age

You: what age is that?

Stranger: lets say 6 months

You: after birth?

Stranger: after conception

You: what if the abortion was at 6 months and the baby had no limbs?

Stranger: err you dont abort after 6 months

You: says who?

You: it happens, just not much

Stranger: havent thought that much about exactly when fetus should get human rights

You: so a healthy baby born at 5 months has no rights?

You: according to mr. Stranger: I think we should be less ageist

Stranger: I think it is good that there is possibility for abortion

Stranger: as if parents dont have means to raise child

You: what if they do at first but dont l8r?

Stranger: it would we better than child wont have to suffer from inability of parents

You: if a family goes broke can they kill their toddler?

You: to save her from suffering?

Stranger: no

You: why not?

You: she'll suffer from their inability

You: why isn't it better for her to die?

You: she's the same girl she was in the womb, just older

You: if we're not gonna be ageist, it's good to kill her too

Stranger: I didnt mean we should treat everyone completely the same way irregardless of age but that we shouldnt stereotype individuals

Stranger: based on their age

You: i think killing someone is a bit worse than stereotyping htem

You: them

Stranger: ?

You: so is it only racist to stereotype blacks, but not to deny them equal rights?

Stranger: so you think that you get your human rights nanosecond after conception

You: i think u get them as soon as u exist

Stranger: then sperm should have rights

Stranger: and masturbation would be murder

You: what?

You: what r u talking about?

Stranger: there is continuity from sperm to baby

You: no, when the sperm and egg meet a new organism is formed

You: jesus christ this is 7th grade biology!

Stranger: I said " so you think that you get your human rights nanosecond after conception "

Stranger: then why didnt you say yes then

You: well not after

You: somewhere in conception

Stranger: what is the difference

You: conception takes like 12-24 hours to finish

You: its a process not an moment

You: the sperm goes into the egg then the genes have to mix

You: i dont think it makes sense to say someone's too young for human rights

You: you get human rights just 4 being human

Stranger: http://docinthemachine.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/embryo-brochure.jpg

Stranger: is what we are talking about now

You: whats your point?

Stranger: does 4 cells constitute a human

You: those do

You: and that looks more like 7

Stranger: cant be

Stranger: odd number

You: maybe 8

You: why does being an odd number matter?

You: yeah i see 8

Stranger: so can you murder baby you arent aware that exists

You: no u cant

You: murder needs intent

You: u cant murder an adult u dont know exists either

Stranger: bad translation

Stranger: manslaughter

You: hmm

You: ianal

Stranger: what?

You: i am not a lawyer

You: idk how manslaughter law works

You: or what's so funny about it

Stranger: ?

You: manslaughter = man's laughter

You: its a pun

Stranger: sexists!

You: what?

Stranger: nothing

Stranger: what do you think about gay marriage

You: i say the govt should stay out of marriage

Stranger: I didnt ask that

You: im cool with it

Stranger: who do you opposite abortion

Stranger: *why

You: cause its wrong

Stranger: why is it wrong

You: i thought we'd moved to marriage

Stranger: it was too boring

You: oh ok

You: its wrong because it kills people

Stranger: do you have problem with killing mosquitos

You: mosquitos arent people

Stranger: why people are special

Stranger: should gorilla that can communicate using sign language have same rights as human

You: ?

Stranger: "Koko has a vocabulary of over 1000 signs (American Sign Language) most of which she learned during the first few years of the project. However, she continues to learn (and occasionally invent) new signs, to improve her ability to communicate with her caregivers"

Stranger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U64k_fA2Rcc

You: oh

You: So what?

Stranger: there is nothing special about human

You: so you're saying using sign language gives your rights?

Stranger: I am not saying I am asking

You: no it doesnt

Stranger: even if it has better understanding of world than a child

You: so?

Stranger: human child

You: since when does understanding give rights?

Stranger: understanding is what supposedly makes humans special

Stranger: they dont have same rights because arent same species?

You: so you're saying a gorilla has rights but a human newborn doesnt?

Stranger: I didnt say that

You: so why bring up understanding?

Stranger: mosquitos arent people

Stranger: "mosquitos arent people"

You: do you think they are?

Stranger: so we can kill anyone who isnt a homo sapiens sapiens

You: if you're not human are you "someone"?

Stranger: only humans have personhood and identity?

You: what do YOU think gives rights?

Stranger: capabilities

You: what capabilities?

You: and since when are rights based on what you can do?

Stranger: 6 year old doesnt get to vote

Stranger: should we let 6 year olds vote

You: yes we should

Stranger: why

You: why not?

Stranger: "why not?" doesnt answer to question "why"

You: it does too

Stranger: I was asking your opinion not asking you to ask my opinion

You: because they're affected by govt too

Stranger: gorillas are affected by govt too

Stranger: they never get to vote

You: they're citizens

Stranger: should 6 year old bare same responsibilities as 18 year old

You: depends on the 6 year old

You: in your opinion what do i have to do to earn the right to not be murdered?

Stranger: responsibilities depend but voting doesnt?

Stranger: you get influence without responsibilities?

You: i wouldnt trust a test to say who can vote

Stranger: there was a test for blacks in america

Stranger: that way south kept them from not voting

You: yes, and look how that turned out

Stranger: that is why they are certain age when people are generally expected to be

Stranger: that there cant be discrimination on test

You: ive seen some morons that still get to vote

Stranger: yes

Stranger: but again if you make test

Stranger: you are giving someone power to decide whether s/he can vote

You: thats my point

Stranger: why should you get citizenship through birth

Stranger: isnt that discrimination

Stranger: global caste system

You: huh?

Stranger: your citizenship restricts your mobility

Stranger: in same way as castes used to

You: in your opinion what do i have to do to earn the right to not be murdered?

Stranger: born

You: you said at 6 months after conception

You: which is it?

Stranger: I dont see that much difference

You: um, birth is 9 months

Stranger: yes?

You: there's a 3 month difference

Stranger: which isnt much

Stranger: you would expect

Stranger: that by the time mother has become aware

Stranger: and made her decision

You: do you get your rights at 6 months or 9 months?

Stranger: I said it doesnt make much difference

Stranger: is it 6 7 8 or 9

You: which is it? 3 months is a quarter of a year

Stranger: as it doesnt make much difference whether voting age is 17 18 19

You: is it okay to have an abortion at 7 months?

Stranger: depends on legistation

You: morally

You: its legal in all 9 months

Stranger: not in every country

You: in some countries its illegal in all 9 months

Stranger: true

You: im asking your opinion, not the law's

Stranger: I already said I dont see much difference where you but the time when you get your human rights

Stranger: as long as there is enough time that parents get to consider

Stranger: if you have missed two ovaries you rings should start rining

Stranger: ringing

You: theres a show called I didnt know i was pregnant

Stranger: yes

You: what do you mean ringing?

Stranger: I said should

You: what do yo mean about ringing ovaries/

You: how can ovaries ring?

Stranger: you have missed two periods

Stranger: you should start suspecting something

Stranger: of course it is possible because of malnutrion also

You: or cysts

You: theres a show called I didnt know i was pregnant where they dont know until they give birth

Stranger: I dont know about that

You: its on TLC

Stranger: I dont live in america and I watch tv less than 5 minutes per week on average

You: well its there

You: is it 6 or 9?

Stranger: already told you

You: no you didnt

Stranger: I said it doesnt make much difference

Stranger: couple of times

You: and i told u it does

Stranger: you asked my opinion

You: and you didnt tell me it

Stranger: all ready told you many times

You: is it moral to kill a 7 month baby?

Stranger: and I said dont see much difference where you but the time when you get human rights

You: the difference is you can or cannot kill the baby

Stranger: yes

You: so which is it?

Stranger: .......................

Stranger: .........................

Stranger: ....................

Stranger: ........................

Stranger: ..........................

Stranger: ..................

Stranger: ........................

Stranger: how many times do i have to answer

You: only once

Stranger: I did 5 times

You: you havent yet

You: you keep dodging the question

Stranger: I havent dodged

Stranger: I said it doesnt make difference to me

Stranger: is it 6

Stranger: 7

Stranger: 8

Stranger: or 9

You: is it moral to kill a 7-month baby, yes or no?

Stranger: you pick a number from 6 to 9

Stranger: you dont get to abort after

You: YES OR NO?

Stranger: what part you dont understand

You: the part where you don't answer me

You: you can say you dont know

Stranger: already answered many times

Stranger: I dont see difference which number you pick

You: i told you difference

You: the difference is life or death for the baby

Stranger: zzzzzzzzzzz

You: okay whatever what's so special about birth that it means you can't kill the baby?

Stranger: what?

You: you said the baby gets rights at birth

You: why?

Stranger: or at 6 or 7 or 8 or 9

You: so at birth the child already has rights

Stranger: if its less than 9 then yes

You: why can a 5-month baby be killed but not a 10-month child?

Stranger: so that every child is wanted

You: can an unwanted toddler be killed?

Stranger: or maxium number of childs are wanted

You: can an unwanted toddler be killed?

Stranger: i have already told you have i think

Stranger: there is a period after conception

Stranger: when parents get to judge whether they have means to raise child

Stranger: if they come to conclusion that they dont

Stranger: they have abortion

Stranger: after period has expired

Stranger: they dont get to abort

You: what's so special about that period?

Stranger: it is intended to make maximum number of babies wanted

You: if they find out late or the situation changes, why can't they abort at 9 months?

Stranger: and make wellbeing of children better

You: if they change their mind, why can't they kill an unwanted newborn?

Stranger: because child has to get his human rights sometime

You: why doesn't the child have human rights at 5 months?

Stranger: so that maximum number of children are wanted

Stranger: and raised by parents that have the means to do it

You: why does the child have human rights at 10 months?

Stranger: because child has to get his human rights sometime

You: why can't that time be at puberty?

Stranger: that child is lawless until puberty?

You: why not?

You: why can't the time be at age 2?

You: why can't the age be 4 months?

Stranger: because its outside body

You: so a baby born at 5 months can't be killed?

You: because its outside the body

You: even though its before 6 months

Stranger: here its legal up to 6 months because of fetal defects , socioeconomic factors and rape

Stranger: up to 9 months to protect mothers life , physical health and mental health

You: does a 5 month born baby have rights?

You: a baby born 4 months early

You: does it have human rights?

Stranger: i would need better medical knowledge

Stranger: on the changes of survival

Stranger: probability of defections

You: it's healthy

Stranger: I would still need

Stranger: you dont make laws based on whether individual is healthy

You: i thought you said you get human rights at birth

Stranger: never said that

You: You: in your opinion what do i have to do to earn the right to not be murdered?
Stranger: born

You: if you dont make laws based on whether individual is healthy, why does it matter if they will have defects?

Stranger: Stranger: you said at 6 months after conception
Stranger: which is it?
You: I dont see that much difference

You: so its 6 months

Stranger: netherlands have exactly 6 months in every case if I am reading correctly

Stranger: cuba its 3 months

You: USA has until birth, and ireland has 0 months

Stranger: ireland has de facto until birth

Stranger: you can always travel across bond to uk

You: dominican republic has 0

You: chile

You: nicaragua

You: el salvador

You: several us states before 1973

Stranger: yes?

Stranger: there is a pattern

Stranger: many of those are catholic

You: so?

Stranger: their laws are based on laws supposedly giving by sky daddy

You: whats your point?

Stranger: just a comment

You: so why can't people get human rights after birth, or before 6 months?

Stranger: you are asking same questions again and again

Stranger: and would only give same answers again and again

You: i havent asked this one

You: iirc

Stranger: what

You: why 6-9 months and not 2 months or 2 years?

Stranger: 2 months isnt enough

You: isnt enough for what?

Stranger: to know with high probability that you are pregnant and make informed decision based on that

Stranger: and isnt enough to see if child is mentally deficit

You: if you don't find out the child is disabled until she's three years old, why can't you kill her?

Stranger: I already told you

Stranger: child has to get its human rights at some point

You: why can't she get human rights at four?

Stranger: somewhere between 6 and 9 is reasonable in my opinion

Stranger: months

You: why can't she get human rights at four years?

You: why can't she get human rights at 12 months?

Stranger: because there has been enough time to make decisision in many cases

You: what if there wasn't?

You: what if they only just found out?

Stranger: you make laws for all

Stranger: you make laws for general cases

You: so in your view human rights aren't real, but just legal fictions?

Stranger: if you mean somehow divine

Stranger: then no

You: Are they inherent, or do we just have them if someone else says we have them?

Stranger: human rights are construct of human mind

You: if someone decided you didn't have rights, would you lose yours?

Stranger: do you know what is utilitarianism

Stranger: and it is very closely related to what we are talking

Stranger: not trying to dodge

Stranger: yes?

Stranger: no?

You: yes i do and i dont like it

You: this one guy said babies arent people until a year after birth

Stranger: that is the way I approach it

Stranger: what one guy

You: peter singer

Stranger: you know background to that

You: huh?

Stranger: is lying always wrong

You: no

Stranger: is killing always wrong

You: no

You: if we get rights at birth, Obama's vote was wrong

Stranger: I dont know background to that

You: to what?

Stranger: do you have the full illinois law

You: lemme look

You: why can't we give parents a longer time than 9 months to decide if they can handle a baby?

You: what would be wrong with making the age 12 or 18 months instead of 6 or 9/

You: ?

Stranger: i dont work in your absolutist world

You: should it be legal to kill a newborn if you decide you can't care for her/

Stranger: I don't see problems with the current system

You: it lets babies be killed!

Stranger: embryos

You: it doesnt minimize unwanted children

Stranger: yes it does

You: no it doesnt

You: if a born child is unwanted, they cant be killed

You: therefore it doesnt

You: it reduces, but it does not minimize

Stranger: synonyms

You: no they're not

You: minimize means to bring to a minimum

You: the minimum is the smallest possible amount

You: they're no more synonyms than less and least are synonyms

Stranger: Definition of MINIMIZE "to reduce"

Stranger: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/minimize

You: min·i·mize: Reduce (something, esp. something unwanted or unpleasant) to the smallest possible amount or degree

You: http://www.google.com/dictionary?source=dict-chrome-ex&sl=en&tl=en&q=minimize

Stranger: yes words have many meanings english is peace of shit

Stranger: piece

You: full definition you quoted: : to reduce or keep to a minimum

Stranger: OR

You: yes

Stranger: or means either is valid

You: to reduce or keep, to a minimum

Stranger: or both

Stranger: there is no comma

You: means either "reduce to a minimum" or "keep to a minimum" is valid

Stranger: THERE IS NO COMMA

Stranger: 1
: to reduce or keep to a minimum

Stranger: without comma

You: same deal without the comma

Stranger: you are pulling that comma from your ass

Stranger: liar

You: min·i·mize (mn-mz)
tr.v. min·i·mized, min·i·miz·ing, min·i·miz·es
1.
a. To reduce to the smallest possible amount, extent, size, or degree.

You: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/minimize

Stranger: yes???

You: min·i·mize
   /ˈmɪnəˌmaɪz/ Show Spelled[min-uh-mahyz] Show IPA
–verb (used with object), -mized, -miz·ing.
1.
to reduce to the smallest possible amount or degree.

You: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/minimize

Stranger: : to reduce or keep to a minimum

Stranger: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/minimize

Stranger: english is a language without central authority

You: even your definition agrees with me!

Stranger: to reduce or keep to a minimum

Stranger: without comma

You: i know

Stranger: or means

You: the comma was unnecessary

Stranger: either or both of them may be true

You: correct

Stranger: so to reduce

You: either "reduce to a minimum" or "keep to a minimum" is valid

Stranger: is correct usage

Stranger: zzzzzzz

Stranger: to reduce or keep to a minimum

Stranger: why the fuck are you arguing about this

You: if you say "i chewed and swallowed my food", both verbs are to the end of the sentence

Stranger: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/OR.html

Stranger: there is you how or works

You: "you can lick or bite a tootsie pop"

You: "you can walk or run to the store"

Stranger: english is ambigious language

You: since the definition you cite is ambiguous, we should look to other dictionaries for clearer definitions

Stranger: *ambiguous

Stranger: whole language is ambigious

Stranger: it has no central authority

You: http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/minimize

Stranger: if you want ass to mean table

You: min·i·mize audio (mn-mz) KEY

TRANSITIVE VERB:
min·i··mized, min·i··miz·ing, min·i··miz·es

1.
1. To reduce to the smallest possible amount, extent, size, or degree.

Stranger: you only need to gather following for it

You: to reduce something harmful or unpleasant to the smallest amount or degree

We must minimize the damage to innocent civilians.

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/minimize

Stranger: "to reduce something harmful "

You: –verb-transitive
# To reduce to the smallest possible amount, extent, size, or degree.

http://www.wordnik.com/words/Minimize

You: "to the smallest amount or degree"

Stranger: and?

You: minimize verb
(UK usually minimise) Click to hear the UK pronunciation of this wordClick to hear the US pronunciation of this word/ˈmɪn.ɪ.maɪz/ v [T]
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to reduce something to the least possible level or amount
We must minimize the risk of infection.
Environmentalists are doing everything within their power to minimize the impact of the oil spill.
Opposite: maximize

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/minimize

Stranger: english is piece of shit

Stranger: I already know it

You: Verb

to minimize (third-person singular simple present minimizes, present participle minimizing, simple past and past participle minimized)

1. (transitive) To make (something) as small or as insignificant as possible.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/minimize

i think ive made my point

Stranger: argumentum ad potentiam

You: but lets go with reduce

Stranger: argumentum ad populum

Stranger: argumentum ad potentiam

Stranger: argumentum ad populum

Stranger: argumentum ad populum

Stranger: argumentum ad populum

Stranger: argumentum ad populum

Stranger: argumentum ad populum

Stranger: argumentum ad populum

You: you did say that all it needs is a big enough following

Stranger: argumentum ad populum

Stranger: yes

You: thats a pretty big following

Stranger: but no universal

Stranger: therefore its ambiguous

You: im pretty sure you're the only one who disagrees

Stranger: what?

You: whatever. let's go with reduce.

Stranger: fuck off

You: getting human rights would also reduce unwanted children

You: rights at 4 months*

Stranger: countries with highest child well being

Stranger: are all abortion countries

You: so we should kill unhappy children?

Stranger: zzzzzzzzzzz

Stranger: strawman much

You: we could up those numbers even further if we allowed infanticide

Stranger: would you stop strawmans

You: im not

Stranger: would you stop repeating everything fucking hundred times

You: this is your logic

Stranger: Stranger: so we should kill unhappy children?

Stranger: is a strawman

Stranger: i didnt say that any point

You: by your logic, you're better off dead than sad.

Stranger: either you stop misrepreseting

Stranger: or fuck off

Stranger: your way of constructing strawmans are reapeating everything

Stranger: is fucking annoying

You: ok so tell me why it's okay to kill a 5-month-old but not a 5-year-old

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