Sunday, April 3, 2011


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You: How do you feel about abortion?
Stranger: pro
Stranger: abortion is made of win
Stranger: :D
You: Why?
Stranger: it is cheating life itself, in the words of Eric Cartman
Stranger: i feel no reason to be against it
You: So is murder.
Stranger: no
Stranger: that is ending life
You: So is abortion.
Stranger: cheating it is disallowing it in the first place
Stranger: abortion is not ending life
You: You're thinking of contraception.
You: Abortion ends a life.
Stranger: no
Stranger: it prevents life from beginning
You: abor·tion noun \ə-ˈbȯr-shən\
Definition of ABORTION

: the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus: as
Stranger: and personally, i dont even care if it is murder
Stranger: it is not a self aware organism
You: Contraception prevents a life from beginning.
Stranger: it is a group of cells
You: So? It's still alive.
Stranger: so yes it is murder
You: Cells are units of life.
Stranger: but so is taking antibiotics
Stranger: so you go to hell for taking cough medicine?
Stranger: is that what youre saying?
You: So you have to be self-aware to have rights?
Stranger: so you disable your immune system?
Stranger: to save all those little single celled organisms who are living off of you?
Stranger: all the little bugs?
You: Are you saying only self-aware human beings have rights?
Stranger: no
Stranger: I am saying that people, self aware or not
Stranger: do not have rights
Stranger: you only have what you think you should have
Stranger: what you choose to have
Stranger: what you CAN and WILL take
Stranger: as a right
Stranger: the US army has spent years murdering people in afghanistan
Stranger: that is supported by christians
You: So is it okay to kill a newborn, who has no concept of "rights", and thus cannot claim any?
You: I don't give a crap what Christians support.
Stranger: yes
Stranger: yes
Stranger: and its not a newborn
Stranger: it is a foetus
You: I wasn't asking about a fetus.
You: I asked about a newborn.
You: Is it okay to kill a newborn?
Stranger: it is ok to kill anything that could do you harm
Stranger: I mean, shit, it happens in the animal kingdom all the time
Stranger: it is a natural process
Stranger: Lions will kill a lioness's cubs so she will be open to mating
Stranger: it is NATURAL
You: So there would be nothing wrong with just going around and shooting up a local preschool? Someone who did that should face no reprocussions?
Stranger: Depends entirely why they did it
Stranger: if it were a preschool in afghanistan
Stranger: where the taliban were hiring childrent
Stranger: who would be raised to fight
Stranger: and shoot
Stranger: and kill
Stranger: then yes
Stranger: it would be alright
Stranger: everything is subject to perspective
You: Why? What's wrong with what the Taliban are doing?
Stranger: what, raising children to fight?
You: According to you, it's totally natural to kill people.
Stranger: oh yes it is
You: How can you judge the Taliban as wrong?
Stranger: I never said it was wrong
Stranger: but it is in our nature to save ourselves at the cost of others
Stranger: to make it so that there is no competition
Stranger: hence, eliminate the opposition
You: Should a mother be allowed to kill her four-month-old child to make her life easier?
Stranger: well, it would be preferable to have an abortion before hand (WHICH IS WHY ABORTION IS THERE DUUUUUUUH), or to drop the kid off at an orphanage
Stranger: but, yes, if it were dependant on the survival of the mother, yes
Stranger: again, this is something natural
Stranger: i mean, if the mother died anyway, the child would die anyway
You: Why would it be preferable to have an abortion or drop the kid at an orphanage?
Stranger: because that would limit the suffering of the child with the same outcome for the mother
Stranger: I am not pro-suffering
Stranger: i am just anti-illogical
You: But suffering is natural.
Stranger: suffering is natural
Stranger: but so is the base instinct to avoid suffering at any cost
Stranger: that is why people feel pain
Stranger: and fear
Stranger: :/
You: And so is the base instinct not to kill your offspring.
Stranger: as proven by the points above
You: The mother's life is not put at danger by the four-month-old, but you still said she can kill him.
Stranger: I said if it put the mothers life in danger
Stranger: :/
Stranger: durr
You: You said she could kill the child if it was dependent on her.
You: You said nothing about her life being in danger.
Stranger: on her survival
Stranger: dependant on her survival
Stranger: QUOTE
Stranger: :
Stranger: but, yes, if it were dependant on the survival of the mother, yes
Stranger: if the mother's survival depended on it
Stranger: DURR
You: "If it were dependent on the survival of the mother" and "if the mother's survival depended on it" are different things.
Stranger: no they arent
You: In fact, they're opposites.
Stranger: same thing phrased differently
You: There's a difference between "A depends on B" and "B is dependent on A"
Stranger: pah
Stranger: whatever
Stranger: my point still stands
You: If her life didn't depend on killing him, should she be allowed to?
Stranger: it doesnt mean I was wrong
Stranger: it depends on the situation
Stranger: if the child were to suffer needlessly before dying anyway, then yes
You: The child is a healthy child; she just wants to kill him to make her life easier.
Stranger: in what way easier?
You: She doesn't have to take care of him anymore.
Stranger: what way would she kill him?
Stranger: would it suffer?
You: Not for long.
Stranger: then, well, if she has the stones to do it herself, then yes
Stranger: as you say
Stranger: there is a base instince
Stranger: instinct to preserve the life of the child
You: She tried to smother him.
Stranger: if she can do it yes
You: She should be allowed to?
Stranger: it takes a lot of willpower to overcome the mothering instinct
Stranger: yes
Stranger: why not?
You: Because she tried to murder her son!
Stranger: so?
You: So that's wrong!
Stranger: it makes it more of a crime than murdering a complete stranger in the name of your country?
Stranger: for reasons that someone else chooses?
You: I'm not for murdering foreigners either!
Stranger: it is not your place to tell people what to do or why
Stranger: you cannot force your opinions on other people
Stranger: just because you see it as right
Stranger: it doesnt make it right
Stranger: logic and reason should overcome the teachings of a society wrapped in bubbles and sunshine
Stranger: the world is a cruel harsh place
You: If someone decided to run into an elementary school, rape the kids, slowly torture the teachers, and set the place on fire, there would be nothing wrong with that?
Stranger: there would be a lot wrong with that
Stranger: that is a goal of hatred and rage
Stranger: of inflicting pain
Stranger: I said earlier that I do not support SUFFERING
You: Should they be allowed to do it?
Stranger: No
You: Why not?
Stranger: because that is an agenda of inflicting suffering and pain needlessly
Stranger: it is illogica
Stranger: illogical
Stranger: and stupid
You: According to you.
You: Why is it your place to tell people what to do or why?
Stranger: it isnt
You: You can't force your opinions on other people.
Stranger: it is my place to say what is logical or not
Stranger: because logic is basic
Stranger: like maths
Stranger: a universal absolute
You: You said he shouldn't be allowed to do that.
Stranger: Im not forcing it
Stranger: im not stopping anyone from doing
Stranger: it
Stranger: im not going out of my way to
Stranger: stop them
You: Oh, right, I misread.
Stranger: I just think that they shouldnt
Stranger: Im not saying that I wont allow them to
You: Wait, no I read it right.
You: You: Should they be allowed to do it?
Stranger: No
You: You said they shouldn't be allowed to do it.
Stranger: SHOULD
Stranger: it is a question of given that you could choose for it not to happen or for it to happen
Stranger: not ''would you force them not to''
You: If they did do it, should they face consequences?
Stranger: Yes
Stranger: because it is NOT NESSESSARY
Stranger: there is a law
Stranger: ''what is nessessary, is legal''
Stranger: nessessary
Stranger: that is not nessessary
You: Neither is abortion.
Stranger: it is not something in which your life would hang in the balance if it did or did not happen
Stranger: and abortion can be
You: I'm not saying I'm against life-saving emergency abortions.
Stranger: you said abortion in general
You: 99% of abortions aren't.
Stranger: is it now ok to decide WHEN abortion is ok?
Stranger: thats rather hypocritical dont you think?
You: You're the one who said murder is okay WHEN it's necessary.
Stranger: yes
Stranger: and I said that from the beginning
Stranger: at the beginning of this conversation
Stranger: you said abortion is murder
Stranger: and murder is wrong
You: So aren't you a hypocrite?
Stranger: ergo
Stranger: abortion is wrong
Stranger: but OH WAIT
Stranger: NOW
Stranger: its oh, abortion is wrong EXCEPT WHEN
Stranger: dot dot dot
You: When did I say abortion was murder?
Stranger: and no
Stranger: right about here
Stranger: So is murder.
You: no
You: that is ending life
Stranger: So is abortion.
You: cheating it is disallowing it in the first place
You: abortion is not ending life
Stranger: You're thinking of contraception.
Stranger: Abortion ends a life.
You: no
You: it prevents life from beginning
Stranger: abor·tion noun ə-ˈbȯr-shən\nDefinition of ABORTION

: the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus: as
Stranger: there
You: I said it ended a life.
You: I didn't say it was murder.
Stranger: which you called murder
Stranger: ending a life is murder apparently
You: Squares, rectangles.
Stranger: ''so is murder'' ''so is abortion''
Stranger: you alikened them to the same thing
Stranger: gave them the same definition
Stranger: made them out to be equal
You: Abortion and murder are both ending life, but that doesn't mean abortion is murder.
You: Riddle me this, is an apple an orange?
Stranger: one, dont say riddle me this
Stranger: it is sad
Stranger: :/
Stranger: and two, likening two things to one another or equivilising two things to one another, especially in the manner you were, is IMPLYING that they were the same thing
Stranger: and you were implying for the sake of your argument
Stranger: and I know
You: I implied nothing. You inferred.
Stranger: IMPLYING is not the same as saying
Stranger: but hey
Stranger: dont be pedantic
You: Apples and oranges are both fruits. Does that mean that apples are oranges or that oranges are apples?
You: No.
Stranger: but they are both fruits
You: Abortion is homicide, and in some cases homicide is not wrong.
You: And abortion and murder are both taking life.
You: That doesn't mean abortion is murder.
Stranger: ha
Stranger: now youre arguing my side of the argument for me
Stranger: this is awesome
You: No, I'm not.
You: I'm just saying you're arguing against a strawman.
Stranger: no
Stranger: im arguing against an idiot
You: Abortion is an act of homicide. Like all homicide, it is sometimes wrong and sometimes not.
You: If it is to save your life, like homicide in general, it is sad but acceptable.
You: Otherwise, it's wrong.
You: Okay, it looks like we're misunderstanding each other. :/
Stranger: no
Stranger: looks like YOU misunderstood me
Stranger: and then tried to outwit me
Stranger: and make me look a tool
You: You misunderstood my point about murder.
Stranger: but poorly applying ethics
You: How do you feel about abortion that is not done to save the mother's life?
Stranger: if it is to end a child that will suffer
Stranger: pro
Stranger: frankly, im just generally pro abortion
Stranger: fuck it
Stranger: not my problem
Stranger: im not gunna stop people doing to their body what they want to do
You: The fetus isn't their body, though; the fetus is another organism.
Stranger: which is inside their bodyt
You: Yes.
Stranger: the fetus is
Stranger: a parasite
You: "Inside" and "part of" are not the same thing.
Stranger: and it is part of at that point too
Stranger: it shares the same circulatory system
You: That's not true.
Stranger: it is
Stranger: thats what the ambilical chord is for duh
You: Nutrient exchange occurs through the placenta.
Stranger: indeed it does
Stranger: but before a heart is formed
Stranger: the ovum depends entirely upon mother's nutrients
You: Nutrients, yes.
You: And the nutrients come from her circulatory system.
Stranger: so it is a part of her body
You: They do not, however, share a circulatory system.
Stranger: just like a cancerous tumor
Stranger: they do at that point
Stranger: until the foetus develops a circulatory system of its own
You: The mother's blood never enters the fetus, only the nutrients.
Stranger: the blood never enters muscle tissue either
Stranger: that process occours by diffusion too
Stranger: does that mean a muscle does not share the circulatory system with the organism?
You: Are you denying that the embryo is an organism?
Stranger: no
Stranger: all cells are organisms
You: No, they aren't.
Stranger: every cell is a seperate organism
Stranger: yes they are
You: Yes, but not all cells are organisms.
You: Some cells are part of organisms.
You: I am an organism. My thumb is not.
Stranger: how are you defining organsim right now?
Stranger: because the organelles in a cell are the cell's organs if you want to be pedantic
Stranger: which makes all cells organisms
You: No, they aren't.
You: They're cells, parts of a larger organism.
Stranger: so youre classing organism as a creature made up of lots of systems built up of seperate organs?
You: I'm not here to teach you 7th grade biology.
Stranger: im checking to what level youre classing organism
Stranger: I do A level biology
You: The fetus is not part of the mother.
Stranger: it is up to a certain stage of development
You: The fetus is dependent on her, yes.
You: But not a part of her.
Stranger: until it develops its own systems
Stranger: it is not an organism
Stranger: and until it becomes a seperate organism it is a part of the mother
Stranger: therefore it is the mother's right
Stranger: and even AFTER it becomes an organism
You: The fetus is a separate organism from conception. This is BASIC SCIENCE.
Stranger: by the points I have just made, no it is not
Stranger: Organism is a creature made up of lots of seperate systems
You: An organism that is dependent on another is still an organism
Stranger: if the creature does not have systems
Stranger: it is not an organism
Stranger: by your own BASIC SCIENCE DEFINITION
You: You're putting words in my mouth.
Stranger: a body made up of organs
Stranger: that is the definition of an organism
You: You said that, not me.
Stranger: that is THE DEFINITION
Stranger: without organs
Stranger: it is NOT an organism
Stranger: if it is not an organism
You: zygote
The single-celled organism that results from the joining of the egg and sperm.
Stranger: it is a part of the mother
Stranger: that is the SINGLE CELLED ORGANISM definition
Stranger: made up of organelles
Stranger: which is what I asked you before you jackass
You: Not all cells are organisms.
Stranger: that also means that every cell in the body is an organism
You: A zygote is.
Stranger: form of life, such as a plant, animal, bacterium, protist, or fungus; a body made up of organs, organelles, or other parts that work together to carry on the various processes of life.
Stranger: all cells have organelles used to carry out the functions of life
Stranger: all cells are, therefore by that definition, organisms
Stranger: you have just been scienced
Stranger: now stfu
Stranger: :P
You: No.
Stranger: yes
You: A cell is PART of an organism.
Stranger: so is a zygote
Stranger: a zygote carries the INFORMATION for an organism
Stranger: but at the joining stage of sperm and egg
Stranger: it is still a cell
You: zygote One-celled organism resulting from fertilization. (40)
Stranger: which is, TECHNICALLY an organism
You: The sperm and egg merge to form a little single-celled organism called a zygote
You: The human body is an organism.
You: No, individual cells in a human ARE NOT ORGANISMS.
Stranger: yes they are
You: No, they aren't. They're cells.
Stranger: The cell is the functional basic unit of life
You: Yes, they're what multicellular organisms are made of.
You: Cells are no more organisms than fingers are people.
Stranger: and, standalone, they are themselves single celled organisms
You: No, they're cells.
Stranger: a finger, along, if you left it with food would not survive
You: Not all cells are organisms.
Stranger: a cell in the human body, if left with food, would flourish, and grow, and divide
Stranger: it has organelles which carry out the basic functions of life
Stranger: which is the definition of organism
You: If you just plop a cell next to a hamburger, it would die.
Stranger: if you plop a zygote next to a hamburger it would die too
Stranger: JACKASS
Stranger: >:/
You: If you took a finger and pumped blood through it so all of its cells got nutrients, it wouldn't die.
Stranger: but then it would be attatched to a circulatory system
You: So?
Stranger: so it could not survive without the whole
Stranger: it could not survive on its own
Stranger: any cell in the human body could
You: It needs something to get the nutrients to its cells. An ad hoc "circulatory system" is the most efficient way to do that.
Stranger: yes
Stranger: so it cannot stand alone
Stranger: a cell can
Stranger: but look
Stranger: i need to go in a min
Stranger: ive loved this convo
Stranger: do you have an email address
You: Yeah.
Stranger: we could continue?
Stranger: awesome
Stranger: Ill see you later bro
Stranger: :L
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Tuesday, March 29, 2011


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Stranger: hi
You: Hey. :) How do you feel about abortion?
Stranger: pro-choice
You: Why?
Stranger: cuz i feel that if a woman wants to abort, then let her
You: Does that apply through all 9 months?
Stranger: i suppose
You: So if a woman wants to get an abortion and she's past her due date, she should be allowed?
Stranger: if she wants
You: What if she gives birth prematurely? Should she be allowed to kill the newborn?
Stranger: well thats not abortion, now is it?
You: What's the difference? Why does the exact same person have a right to live or not based solely on his or her location?
Stranger: im not saying its right or wrong, im saying technically its not called abortion naymore
Stranger: anymore*
You: Is it right to kill a born baby that was premature?
Stranger: personally, i dont think its either, and weather something's right or wrong is a label created by the individual based on their personal ethics
You: Should she be allowed to kill the premature born baby if she wants to?
Stranger: it wouldnt affect me at all so i dont see why not, but at the same time, it's rather cruel, so i dont see why she would
You: A teen mom a few months ago tried to kill her 4-month-old son to "make life easier".
You: Should she have been allowed to?
Stranger: as unfortunate that might look in the eyes of society, its is rational
You: What if the baby was four years old instead of four months?
Stranger: im talking rational in the sense of removing the child from her life, example through killing, but she aslo could have gave it away, or let her parents or someone she trusts care for it, as another example
Stranger: both examples being justified in that her life is now "easier"
You: Should she have been allowed to kill the baby?
Stranger: theoretically, yes
Stranger: although
Stranger: it would probably be in the best interest of all to go with the latter example
You: If the baby had been 4 years instead of 4 months, should she still have been allowed to kill him?
Stranger: again, yes, but like i just said it would probably be a better idea to let someone else care for it
You: What if he was 14?
Stranger: at that point hes old enough to partly care for himself, and also the mother would probably be both too emotionally attached to him, and could be able to care for him as well
You: Should she be allowed or not?
Stranger: idk why she would, but if she really wanted to
You: What if he wasn't her son, and just some random teen. Should she still be allowed to kill him?
Stranger: now its not even close to abortion where are we going with this
You: I just want to know when you get to have your life protected in the law, since you think she should be allowed to kill her 14-year-old son.
Stranger: well law is just a set of rules created by society to keep order, and by their definition, any form of killing afore
Stranger: afore mentioned here*
Stranger: outside of the womb is illegal
You: But should it be?
Stranger: well that is where you have the conflict between law and personal ethics
Stranger: so the answer is different for everyone
Stranger: to a degree
You: Should the law just let anyone do whatever they want?
Stranger: no, thats exactly what the law fights against, so ensure people just go do whatever they want.
Stranger: just dont go*
You: But you said that she should be allowed to kill her son
Stranger: by my ethics yes,
by law no
You: According to your ethics, when shouldn't she be allowed to kill him?
Stranger: when it becomes impractical to do so
Stranger: meaning
Stranger: when the child is no longer a burden to her
You: So she should be allowed to kill her son as long as he's a burden on her?
Stranger: basically untill she has no justification to do so
You: That's... kinda sick.
Stranger: like if he's 14, he's not going to bare her down, he can do things on his own, she has no need to kill him, but at the same time, as an infant, she is completely dependent on her
Stranger: not saying that 14 is the turning point, of course
Stranger: its a gradual turning point
You: You can't half-kill someone. She can either kill him or he can't.
Stranger: that isnt half killing, its either killing or it isnt, she kills him when he's an infant, or she never kills him
You: At what point can't she kill him?
Stranger: like i said its a gradual turning point
You: There can't be a gradual turning point for a yes or no question.
You: Either she can kill him or she can't. At some point, the answer switches from yes to no.
Stranger: so then tell me, at what exact age does an individual become able to for the most part, do things on their own? not legally, but physically capable of it?
Stranger: whats the exact age?
You: What doe you mean by that?
Stranger: like, take me for example, im 17, i can mostly do stuff without the help of my parents, i cant legally be on my own, but i can physically care for myself for the most part
Stranger: whats the exact age in which someone can do that?
You: It depends on the person.
Stranger: exatcly
Stranger: and thats why the turning point is gradual
You: It varies, but it's not gradual.
Stranger: but its not like one day you wake up with the ability to care for yourself like i described
Stranger: its something you gradually become able to do over time
You: You get better and better at it until the point when you can take care of yourself.
You: But I digress.
You: If the boy is handicapped and can't take care of himself even at 22, can she kill him?
Stranger: and wheres the exact point that someone becomes just a bit better and switches over to the "capable" side?
Stranger: there isnt a specific point
You: What part of "I digress" didn't you understand?
Stranger: oh i didnt see that sorry
Stranger: i was typing
You: That's okay.
You: If the boy is handicapped and can't take care of himself even at 22, can she kill him?
Stranger: theoretically yes, but why would she? at that point she would definitely be too emotionally attached to do so, and by then she would have acquired a job most likely, and just like any other functioning household she can care for him without it being a burden to her
You: That's... pretty disgusting.
You: Can you not see how sick that is?
Stranger: i see how one can view it as such
You: I...
You: No offense, but you're evil.
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