Sunday, April 3, 2011


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You: How do you feel about abortion?
Stranger: pro
Stranger: abortion is made of win
Stranger: :D
You: Why?
Stranger: it is cheating life itself, in the words of Eric Cartman
Stranger: i feel no reason to be against it
You: So is murder.
Stranger: no
Stranger: that is ending life
You: So is abortion.
Stranger: cheating it is disallowing it in the first place
Stranger: abortion is not ending life
You: You're thinking of contraception.
You: Abortion ends a life.
Stranger: no
Stranger: it prevents life from beginning
You: abor·tion noun \ə-ˈbȯr-shən\
Definition of ABORTION

: the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus: as
Stranger: and personally, i dont even care if it is murder
Stranger: it is not a self aware organism
You: Contraception prevents a life from beginning.
Stranger: it is a group of cells
You: So? It's still alive.
Stranger: so yes it is murder
You: Cells are units of life.
Stranger: but so is taking antibiotics
Stranger: so you go to hell for taking cough medicine?
Stranger: is that what youre saying?
You: So you have to be self-aware to have rights?
Stranger: so you disable your immune system?
Stranger: to save all those little single celled organisms who are living off of you?
Stranger: all the little bugs?
You: Are you saying only self-aware human beings have rights?
Stranger: no
Stranger: I am saying that people, self aware or not
Stranger: do not have rights
Stranger: you only have what you think you should have
Stranger: what you choose to have
Stranger: what you CAN and WILL take
Stranger: as a right
Stranger: the US army has spent years murdering people in afghanistan
Stranger: that is supported by christians
You: So is it okay to kill a newborn, who has no concept of "rights", and thus cannot claim any?
You: I don't give a crap what Christians support.
Stranger: yes
Stranger: yes
Stranger: and its not a newborn
Stranger: it is a foetus
You: I wasn't asking about a fetus.
You: I asked about a newborn.
You: Is it okay to kill a newborn?
Stranger: it is ok to kill anything that could do you harm
Stranger: I mean, shit, it happens in the animal kingdom all the time
Stranger: it is a natural process
Stranger: Lions will kill a lioness's cubs so she will be open to mating
Stranger: it is NATURAL
You: So there would be nothing wrong with just going around and shooting up a local preschool? Someone who did that should face no reprocussions?
Stranger: Depends entirely why they did it
Stranger: if it were a preschool in afghanistan
Stranger: where the taliban were hiring childrent
Stranger: who would be raised to fight
Stranger: and shoot
Stranger: and kill
Stranger: then yes
Stranger: it would be alright
Stranger: everything is subject to perspective
You: Why? What's wrong with what the Taliban are doing?
Stranger: what, raising children to fight?
You: According to you, it's totally natural to kill people.
Stranger: oh yes it is
You: How can you judge the Taliban as wrong?
Stranger: I never said it was wrong
Stranger: but it is in our nature to save ourselves at the cost of others
Stranger: to make it so that there is no competition
Stranger: hence, eliminate the opposition
You: Should a mother be allowed to kill her four-month-old child to make her life easier?
Stranger: well, it would be preferable to have an abortion before hand (WHICH IS WHY ABORTION IS THERE DUUUUUUUH), or to drop the kid off at an orphanage
Stranger: but, yes, if it were dependant on the survival of the mother, yes
Stranger: again, this is something natural
Stranger: i mean, if the mother died anyway, the child would die anyway
You: Why would it be preferable to have an abortion or drop the kid at an orphanage?
Stranger: because that would limit the suffering of the child with the same outcome for the mother
Stranger: I am not pro-suffering
Stranger: i am just anti-illogical
You: But suffering is natural.
Stranger: suffering is natural
Stranger: but so is the base instinct to avoid suffering at any cost
Stranger: that is why people feel pain
Stranger: and fear
Stranger: :/
You: And so is the base instinct not to kill your offspring.
Stranger: as proven by the points above
You: The mother's life is not put at danger by the four-month-old, but you still said she can kill him.
Stranger: I said if it put the mothers life in danger
Stranger: :/
Stranger: durr
You: You said she could kill the child if it was dependent on her.
You: You said nothing about her life being in danger.
Stranger: on her survival
Stranger: dependant on her survival
Stranger: QUOTE
Stranger: :
Stranger: but, yes, if it were dependant on the survival of the mother, yes
Stranger: if the mother's survival depended on it
Stranger: DURR
You: "If it were dependent on the survival of the mother" and "if the mother's survival depended on it" are different things.
Stranger: no they arent
You: In fact, they're opposites.
Stranger: same thing phrased differently
You: There's a difference between "A depends on B" and "B is dependent on A"
Stranger: pah
Stranger: whatever
Stranger: my point still stands
You: If her life didn't depend on killing him, should she be allowed to?
Stranger: it doesnt mean I was wrong
Stranger: it depends on the situation
Stranger: if the child were to suffer needlessly before dying anyway, then yes
You: The child is a healthy child; she just wants to kill him to make her life easier.
Stranger: in what way easier?
You: She doesn't have to take care of him anymore.
Stranger: what way would she kill him?
Stranger: would it suffer?
You: Not for long.
Stranger: then, well, if she has the stones to do it herself, then yes
Stranger: as you say
Stranger: there is a base instince
Stranger: instinct to preserve the life of the child
You: She tried to smother him.
Stranger: if she can do it yes
You: She should be allowed to?
Stranger: it takes a lot of willpower to overcome the mothering instinct
Stranger: yes
Stranger: why not?
You: Because she tried to murder her son!
Stranger: so?
You: So that's wrong!
Stranger: it makes it more of a crime than murdering a complete stranger in the name of your country?
Stranger: for reasons that someone else chooses?
You: I'm not for murdering foreigners either!
Stranger: it is not your place to tell people what to do or why
Stranger: you cannot force your opinions on other people
Stranger: just because you see it as right
Stranger: it doesnt make it right
Stranger: logic and reason should overcome the teachings of a society wrapped in bubbles and sunshine
Stranger: the world is a cruel harsh place
You: If someone decided to run into an elementary school, rape the kids, slowly torture the teachers, and set the place on fire, there would be nothing wrong with that?
Stranger: there would be a lot wrong with that
Stranger: that is a goal of hatred and rage
Stranger: of inflicting pain
Stranger: I said earlier that I do not support SUFFERING
You: Should they be allowed to do it?
Stranger: No
You: Why not?
Stranger: because that is an agenda of inflicting suffering and pain needlessly
Stranger: it is illogica
Stranger: illogical
Stranger: and stupid
You: According to you.
You: Why is it your place to tell people what to do or why?
Stranger: it isnt
You: You can't force your opinions on other people.
Stranger: it is my place to say what is logical or not
Stranger: because logic is basic
Stranger: like maths
Stranger: a universal absolute
You: You said he shouldn't be allowed to do that.
Stranger: Im not forcing it
Stranger: im not stopping anyone from doing
Stranger: it
Stranger: im not going out of my way to
Stranger: stop them
You: Oh, right, I misread.
Stranger: I just think that they shouldnt
Stranger: Im not saying that I wont allow them to
You: Wait, no I read it right.
You: You: Should they be allowed to do it?
Stranger: No
You: You said they shouldn't be allowed to do it.
Stranger: SHOULD
Stranger: it is a question of given that you could choose for it not to happen or for it to happen
Stranger: not ''would you force them not to''
You: If they did do it, should they face consequences?
Stranger: Yes
Stranger: because it is NOT NESSESSARY
Stranger: there is a law
Stranger: ''what is nessessary, is legal''
Stranger: nessessary
Stranger: that is not nessessary
You: Neither is abortion.
Stranger: it is not something in which your life would hang in the balance if it did or did not happen
Stranger: and abortion can be
You: I'm not saying I'm against life-saving emergency abortions.
Stranger: you said abortion in general
You: 99% of abortions aren't.
Stranger: is it now ok to decide WHEN abortion is ok?
Stranger: thats rather hypocritical dont you think?
You: You're the one who said murder is okay WHEN it's necessary.
Stranger: yes
Stranger: and I said that from the beginning
Stranger: at the beginning of this conversation
Stranger: you said abortion is murder
Stranger: and murder is wrong
You: So aren't you a hypocrite?
Stranger: ergo
Stranger: abortion is wrong
Stranger: but OH WAIT
Stranger: NOW
Stranger: its oh, abortion is wrong EXCEPT WHEN
Stranger: dot dot dot
You: When did I say abortion was murder?
Stranger: and no
Stranger: right about here
Stranger: So is murder.
You: no
You: that is ending life
Stranger: So is abortion.
You: cheating it is disallowing it in the first place
You: abortion is not ending life
Stranger: You're thinking of contraception.
Stranger: Abortion ends a life.
You: no
You: it prevents life from beginning
Stranger: abor·tion noun ə-ˈbȯr-shən\nDefinition of ABORTION

: the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus: as
Stranger: there
You: I said it ended a life.
You: I didn't say it was murder.
Stranger: which you called murder
Stranger: ending a life is murder apparently
You: Squares, rectangles.
Stranger: ''so is murder'' ''so is abortion''
Stranger: you alikened them to the same thing
Stranger: gave them the same definition
Stranger: made them out to be equal
You: Abortion and murder are both ending life, but that doesn't mean abortion is murder.
You: Riddle me this, is an apple an orange?
Stranger: one, dont say riddle me this
Stranger: it is sad
Stranger: :/
Stranger: and two, likening two things to one another or equivilising two things to one another, especially in the manner you were, is IMPLYING that they were the same thing
Stranger: and you were implying for the sake of your argument
Stranger: and I know
You: I implied nothing. You inferred.
Stranger: IMPLYING is not the same as saying
Stranger: but hey
Stranger: dont be pedantic
You: Apples and oranges are both fruits. Does that mean that apples are oranges or that oranges are apples?
You: No.
Stranger: but they are both fruits
You: Abortion is homicide, and in some cases homicide is not wrong.
You: And abortion and murder are both taking life.
You: That doesn't mean abortion is murder.
Stranger: ha
Stranger: now youre arguing my side of the argument for me
Stranger: this is awesome
You: No, I'm not.
You: I'm just saying you're arguing against a strawman.
Stranger: no
Stranger: im arguing against an idiot
You: Abortion is an act of homicide. Like all homicide, it is sometimes wrong and sometimes not.
You: If it is to save your life, like homicide in general, it is sad but acceptable.
You: Otherwise, it's wrong.
You: Okay, it looks like we're misunderstanding each other. :/
Stranger: no
Stranger: looks like YOU misunderstood me
Stranger: and then tried to outwit me
Stranger: and make me look a tool
You: You misunderstood my point about murder.
Stranger: but poorly applying ethics
You: How do you feel about abortion that is not done to save the mother's life?
Stranger: if it is to end a child that will suffer
Stranger: pro
Stranger: frankly, im just generally pro abortion
Stranger: fuck it
Stranger: not my problem
Stranger: im not gunna stop people doing to their body what they want to do
You: The fetus isn't their body, though; the fetus is another organism.
Stranger: which is inside their bodyt
You: Yes.
Stranger: the fetus is
Stranger: a parasite
You: "Inside" and "part of" are not the same thing.
Stranger: and it is part of at that point too
Stranger: it shares the same circulatory system
You: That's not true.
Stranger: it is
Stranger: thats what the ambilical chord is for duh
You: Nutrient exchange occurs through the placenta.
Stranger: indeed it does
Stranger: but before a heart is formed
Stranger: the ovum depends entirely upon mother's nutrients
You: Nutrients, yes.
You: And the nutrients come from her circulatory system.
Stranger: so it is a part of her body
You: They do not, however, share a circulatory system.
Stranger: just like a cancerous tumor
Stranger: they do at that point
Stranger: until the foetus develops a circulatory system of its own
You: The mother's blood never enters the fetus, only the nutrients.
Stranger: the blood never enters muscle tissue either
Stranger: that process occours by diffusion too
Stranger: does that mean a muscle does not share the circulatory system with the organism?
You: Are you denying that the embryo is an organism?
Stranger: no
Stranger: all cells are organisms
You: No, they aren't.
Stranger: every cell is a seperate organism
Stranger: yes they are
You: Yes, but not all cells are organisms.
You: Some cells are part of organisms.
You: I am an organism. My thumb is not.
Stranger: how are you defining organsim right now?
Stranger: because the organelles in a cell are the cell's organs if you want to be pedantic
Stranger: which makes all cells organisms
You: No, they aren't.
You: They're cells, parts of a larger organism.
Stranger: so youre classing organism as a creature made up of lots of systems built up of seperate organs?
You: I'm not here to teach you 7th grade biology.
Stranger: im checking to what level youre classing organism
Stranger: I do A level biology
You: The fetus is not part of the mother.
Stranger: it is up to a certain stage of development
You: The fetus is dependent on her, yes.
You: But not a part of her.
Stranger: until it develops its own systems
Stranger: it is not an organism
Stranger: and until it becomes a seperate organism it is a part of the mother
Stranger: therefore it is the mother's right
Stranger: and even AFTER it becomes an organism
You: The fetus is a separate organism from conception. This is BASIC SCIENCE.
Stranger: by the points I have just made, no it is not
Stranger: Organism is a creature made up of lots of seperate systems
You: An organism that is dependent on another is still an organism
Stranger: if the creature does not have systems
Stranger: it is not an organism
Stranger: by your own BASIC SCIENCE DEFINITION
You: You're putting words in my mouth.
Stranger: a body made up of organs
Stranger: that is the definition of an organism
You: You said that, not me.
Stranger: that is THE DEFINITION
Stranger: without organs
Stranger: it is NOT an organism
Stranger: if it is not an organism
You: zygote
The single-celled organism that results from the joining of the egg and sperm.
Stranger: it is a part of the mother
Stranger: that is the SINGLE CELLED ORGANISM definition
Stranger: made up of organelles
Stranger: which is what I asked you before you jackass
You: Not all cells are organisms.
Stranger: that also means that every cell in the body is an organism
You: A zygote is.
Stranger: form of life, such as a plant, animal, bacterium, protist, or fungus; a body made up of organs, organelles, or other parts that work together to carry on the various processes of life.
Stranger: all cells have organelles used to carry out the functions of life
Stranger: all cells are, therefore by that definition, organisms
Stranger: you have just been scienced
Stranger: now stfu
Stranger: :P
You: No.
Stranger: yes
You: A cell is PART of an organism.
Stranger: so is a zygote
Stranger: a zygote carries the INFORMATION for an organism
Stranger: but at the joining stage of sperm and egg
Stranger: it is still a cell
You: zygote One-celled organism resulting from fertilization. (40)
Stranger: which is, TECHNICALLY an organism
You: The sperm and egg merge to form a little single-celled organism called a zygote
You: The human body is an organism.
You: No, individual cells in a human ARE NOT ORGANISMS.
Stranger: yes they are
You: No, they aren't. They're cells.
Stranger: The cell is the functional basic unit of life
You: Yes, they're what multicellular organisms are made of.
You: Cells are no more organisms than fingers are people.
Stranger: and, standalone, they are themselves single celled organisms
You: No, they're cells.
Stranger: a finger, along, if you left it with food would not survive
You: Not all cells are organisms.
Stranger: a cell in the human body, if left with food, would flourish, and grow, and divide
Stranger: it has organelles which carry out the basic functions of life
Stranger: which is the definition of organism
You: If you just plop a cell next to a hamburger, it would die.
Stranger: if you plop a zygote next to a hamburger it would die too
Stranger: JACKASS
Stranger: >:/
You: If you took a finger and pumped blood through it so all of its cells got nutrients, it wouldn't die.
Stranger: but then it would be attatched to a circulatory system
You: So?
Stranger: so it could not survive without the whole
Stranger: it could not survive on its own
Stranger: any cell in the human body could
You: It needs something to get the nutrients to its cells. An ad hoc "circulatory system" is the most efficient way to do that.
Stranger: yes
Stranger: so it cannot stand alone
Stranger: a cell can
Stranger: but look
Stranger: i need to go in a min
Stranger: ive loved this convo
Stranger: do you have an email address
You: Yeah.
Stranger: we could continue?
Stranger: awesome
Stranger: Ill see you later bro
Stranger: :L
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