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You: How do you feel about abortion?

Stranger: pro

Stranger: abortion is made of win

Stranger: :D

You: Why?

Stranger: it is cheating life itself, in the words of Eric Cartman

Stranger: i feel no reason to be against it

You: So is murder.

Stranger: no

Stranger: that is ending life

You: So is abortion.

Stranger: cheating it is disallowing it in the first place

Stranger: abortion is not ending life

You: You're thinking of contraception.

You: Abortion ends a life.

Stranger: no

Stranger: it prevents life from beginning

You: abor·tion noun \ə-ˈbȯr-shən\
Definition of ABORTION

1
: the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus: as

Stranger: and personally, i dont even care if it is murder

You: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abortion

Stranger: it is not a self aware organism

You: Contraception prevents a life from beginning.

Stranger: it is a group of cells

You: So? It's still alive.

Stranger: so yes it is murder

You: Cells are units of life.

Stranger: but so is taking antibiotics

Stranger: so you go to hell for taking cough medicine?

Stranger: is that what youre saying?

You: So you have to be self-aware to have rights?

Stranger: so you disable your immune system?

Stranger: to save all those little single celled organisms who are living off of you?

Stranger: all the little bugs?

You: Are you saying only self-aware human beings have rights?

Stranger: no

Stranger: I am saying that people, self aware or not

Stranger: do not have rights

Stranger: you only have what you think you should have

Stranger: what you choose to have

Stranger: what you CAN and WILL take

Stranger: as a right

Stranger: the US army has spent years murdering people in afghanistan

Stranger: that is supported by christians

You: So is it okay to kill a newborn, who has no concept of "rights", and thus cannot claim any?

You: I don't give a crap what Christians support.

Stranger: yes

Stranger: yes

Stranger: and its not a newborn

Stranger: it is a foetus

You: I wasn't asking about a fetus.

You: I asked about a newborn.

You: Is it okay to kill a newborn?

Stranger: it is ok to kill anything that could do you harm

Stranger: I mean, shit, it happens in the animal kingdom all the time

Stranger: it is a natural process

Stranger: Lions will kill a lioness's cubs so she will be open to mating

Stranger: it is NATURAL

You: So there would be nothing wrong with just going around and shooting up a local preschool? Someone who did that should face no reprocussions?

Stranger: Depends entirely why they did it

Stranger: if it were a preschool in afghanistan

Stranger: where the taliban were hiring childrent

Stranger: who would be raised to fight

Stranger: and shoot

Stranger: and kill

Stranger: then yes

Stranger: it would be alright

Stranger: everything is subject to perspective

You: Why? What's wrong with what the Taliban are doing?

Stranger: what, raising children to fight?

You: According to you, it's totally natural to kill people.

Stranger: oh yes it is

You: How can you judge the Taliban as wrong?

Stranger: I never said it was wrong

Stranger: but it is in our nature to save ourselves at the cost of others

Stranger: to make it so that there is no competition

Stranger: hence, eliminate the opposition

You: Should a mother be allowed to kill her four-month-old child to make her life easier?

Stranger: well, it would be preferable to have an abortion before hand (WHICH IS WHY ABORTION IS THERE DUUUUUUUH), or to drop the kid off at an orphanage

Stranger: but, yes, if it were dependant on the survival of the mother, yes

Stranger: again, this is something natural

Stranger: i mean, if the mother died anyway, the child would die anyway

You: Why would it be preferable to have an abortion or drop the kid at an orphanage?

Stranger: because that would limit the suffering of the child with the same outcome for the mother

Stranger: I am not pro-suffering

Stranger: i am just anti-illogical

You: But suffering is natural.

Stranger: suffering is natural

Stranger: but so is the base instinct to avoid suffering at any cost

Stranger: that is why people feel pain

Stranger: and fear

Stranger: :/

You: And so is the base instinct not to kill your offspring.

Stranger: USE LOGIC PLEASE

Stranger: UNTIL IT PUTS YOUR LIFE IN DANGER

Stranger: as proven by the points above

You: The mother's life is not put at danger by the four-month-old, but you still said she can kill him.

Stranger: I said if it put the mothers life in danger

Stranger: IF YOU COULD PLEASE TRY READING

Stranger: :/

Stranger: durr

You: You said she could kill the child if it was dependent on her.

You: You said nothing about her life being in danger.

Stranger: on her survival

Stranger: dependant on her survival

Stranger: QUOTE

Stranger: :

Stranger: but, yes, if it were dependant on the survival of the mother, yes

Stranger: if the mother's survival depended on it

Stranger: DURR

You: "If it were dependent on the survival of the mother" and "if the mother's survival depended on it" are different things.

Stranger: no they arent

You: In fact, they're opposites.

Stranger: same thing phrased differently

You: There's a difference between "A depends on B" and "B is dependent on A"

Stranger: pah

Stranger: whatever

Stranger: my point still stands

You: If her life didn't depend on killing him, should she be allowed to?

Stranger: it doesnt mean I was wrong

Stranger: it depends on the situation

Stranger: if the child were to suffer needlessly before dying anyway, then yes

Stranger: it is RELATIVE TO PERSPECTIVE

You: The child is a healthy child; she just wants to kill him to make her life easier.

Stranger: in what way easier?

You: She doesn't have to take care of him anymore.

Stranger: what way would she kill him?

Stranger: would it suffer?

You: Not for long.

Stranger: then, well, if she has the stones to do it herself, then yes

Stranger: as you say

Stranger: there is a base instince

Stranger: instinct to preserve the life of the child

You: She tried to smother him.

Stranger: if she can do it yes

You: She should be allowed to?

Stranger: it takes a lot of willpower to overcome the mothering instinct

Stranger: yes

Stranger: why not?

You: Because she tried to murder her son!

Stranger: so?

You: So that's wrong!

Stranger: it makes it more of a crime than murdering a complete stranger in the name of your country?

Stranger: for reasons that someone else chooses?

You: I'm not for murdering foreigners either!

Stranger: it is not your place to tell people what to do or why

Stranger: you cannot force your opinions on other people

Stranger: just because you see it as right

Stranger: it doesnt make it right

Stranger: logic and reason should overcome the teachings of a society wrapped in bubbles and sunshine

Stranger: the world is a cruel harsh place

You: If someone decided to run into an elementary school, rape the kids, slowly torture the teachers, and set the place on fire, there would be nothing wrong with that?

Stranger: there would be a lot wrong with that

Stranger: that is a goal of hatred and rage

Stranger: of inflicting pain

Stranger: I said earlier that I do not support SUFFERING

You: Should they be allowed to do it?

Stranger: No

You: Why not?

Stranger: because that is an agenda of inflicting suffering and pain needlessly

Stranger: it is illogica

Stranger: illogical

Stranger: and stupid

You: According to you.

You: Why is it your place to tell people what to do or why?

Stranger: it isnt

You: You can't force your opinions on other people.

Stranger: it is my place to say what is logical or not

Stranger: because logic is basic

Stranger: like maths

Stranger: a universal absolute

You: You said he shouldn't be allowed to do that.

Stranger: Im not forcing it

Stranger: im not stopping anyone from doing

Stranger: it

Stranger: im not going out of my way to

Stranger: stop them

You: Oh, right, I misread.

Stranger: I just think that they shouldnt

Stranger: Im not saying that I wont allow them to

You: Wait, no I read it right.

You: You: Should they be allowed to do it?
Stranger: No

You: You said they shouldn't be allowed to do it.

Stranger: SHOULD THEY BE

Stranger: SHOULD

Stranger: HYPOTHETICAL

Stranger: it is a question of given that you could choose for it not to happen or for it to happen

Stranger: not ''would you force them not to''

You: If they did do it, should they face consequences?

Stranger: Yes

Stranger: because it is NOT NESSESSARY

Stranger: there is a law

Stranger: ''what is nessessary, is legal''

Stranger: nessessary

Stranger: that is not nessessary

You: Neither is abortion.

Stranger: it is not something in which your life would hang in the balance if it did or did not happen

Stranger: and abortion can be

You: I'm not saying I'm against life-saving emergency abortions.

Stranger: you said abortion in general

You: 99% of abortions aren't.

Stranger: is it now ok to decide WHEN abortion is ok?

Stranger: thats rather hypocritical dont you think?

You: You're the one who said murder is okay WHEN it's necessary.

Stranger: yes

Stranger: and I said that from the beginning

Stranger: at the beginning of this conversation

Stranger: you said abortion is murder

Stranger: and murder is wrong

You: So aren't you a hypocrite?

Stranger: ergo

Stranger: abortion is wrong

Stranger: but OH WAIT

Stranger: NOW

Stranger: its oh, abortion is wrong EXCEPT WHEN

Stranger: dot dot dot

Stranger: HYPOCRITE

You: When did I say abortion was murder?

Stranger: and no

Stranger: right about here

Stranger: So is murder.
You: no
You: that is ending life
Stranger: So is abortion.
You: cheating it is disallowing it in the first place
You: abortion is not ending life
Stranger: You're thinking of contraception.
Stranger: Abortion ends a life.
You: no
You: it prevents life from beginning
Stranger: abor·tion noun ə-ˈbȯr-shən\nDefinition of ABORTION

1
: the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus: as

Stranger: there

You: I said it ended a life.

You: I didn't say it was murder.

Stranger: which you called murder

Stranger: ending a life is murder apparently

You: Squares, rectangles.

Stranger: ''so is murder'' ''so is abortion''

Stranger: you alikened them to the same thing

Stranger: gave them the same definition

Stranger: made them out to be equal

You: Abortion and murder are both ending life, but that doesn't mean abortion is murder.

You: Riddle me this, is an apple an orange?

Stranger: one, dont say riddle me this

Stranger: it is sad

Stranger: :/

Stranger: and two, likening two things to one another or equivilising two things to one another, especially in the manner you were, is IMPLYING that they were the same thing

Stranger: and you were implying for the sake of your argument

Stranger: and I know

You: I implied nothing. You inferred.

Stranger: IMPLYING is not the same as saying

Stranger: but hey

Stranger: dont be pedantic

You: Apples and oranges are both fruits. Does that mean that apples are oranges or that oranges are apples?

You: No.

Stranger: but they are both fruits

You: Abortion is homicide, and in some cases homicide is not wrong.

You: And abortion and murder are both taking life.

You: That doesn't mean abortion is murder.

Stranger: ha

Stranger: now youre arguing my side of the argument for me

Stranger: this is awesome

You: No, I'm not.

You: I'm just saying you're arguing against a strawman.

Stranger: no

Stranger: im arguing against an idiot

You: Abortion is an act of homicide. Like all homicide, it is sometimes wrong and sometimes not.

You: If it is to save your life, like homicide in general, it is sad but acceptable.

You: Otherwise, it's wrong.

Stranger: THAT WAS MY ARGUMENT JACKASS

You: Okay, it looks like we're misunderstanding each other. :/

Stranger: no

Stranger: looks like YOU misunderstood me

Stranger: and then tried to outwit me

Stranger: and make me look a tool

You: You misunderstood my point about murder.

Stranger: but poorly applying ethics

You: How do you feel about abortion that is not done to save the mother's life?

Stranger: if it is to end a child that will suffer

Stranger: pro

Stranger: frankly, im just generally pro abortion

Stranger: fuck it

Stranger: not my problem

Stranger: im not gunna stop people doing to their body what they want to do

You: The fetus isn't their body, though; the fetus is another organism.

Stranger: which is inside their bodyt

You: Yes.

Stranger: the fetus is

Stranger: AT THAT POINT

Stranger: a parasite

You: "Inside" and "part of" are not the same thing.

Stranger: and it is part of at that point too

Stranger: it shares the same circulatory system

You: That's not true.

Stranger: it is

Stranger: thats what the ambilical chord is for duh

You: Nutrient exchange occurs through the placenta.

Stranger: indeed it does

Stranger: but before a heart is formed

Stranger: the ovum depends entirely upon mother's nutrients

You: Nutrients, yes.

You: And the nutrients come from her circulatory system.

Stranger: so it is a part of her body

You: They do not, however, share a circulatory system.

Stranger: just like a cancerous tumor

Stranger: they do at that point

Stranger: until the foetus develops a circulatory system of its own

You: The mother's blood never enters the fetus, only the nutrients.

Stranger: the blood never enters muscle tissue either

Stranger: that process occours by diffusion too

Stranger: does that mean a muscle does not share the circulatory system with the organism?

You: Are you denying that the embryo is an organism?

Stranger: no

Stranger: all cells are organisms

You: No, they aren't.

Stranger: every cell is a seperate organism

Stranger: yes they are

Stranger: SINGLE CELLED ORGANISMS

You: Yes, but not all cells are organisms.

You: Some cells are part of organisms.

You: I am an organism. My thumb is not.

Stranger: how are you defining organsim right now?

Stranger: because the organelles in a cell are the cell's organs if you want to be pedantic

Stranger: which makes all cells organisms

You: No, they aren't.

You: They're cells, parts of a larger organism.

Stranger: so youre classing organism as a creature made up of lots of systems built up of seperate organs?

You: I'm not here to teach you 7th grade biology.

Stranger: im checking to what level youre classing organism

Stranger: I do A level biology

You: The fetus is not part of the mother.

Stranger: it is up to a certain stage of development

You: The fetus is dependent on her, yes.

You: But not a part of her.

Stranger: until it develops its own systems

Stranger: it is not an organism

Stranger: and until it becomes a seperate organism it is a part of the mother

Stranger: therefore it is the mother's right

Stranger: and even AFTER it becomes an organism

You: The fetus is a separate organism from conception. This is BASIC SCIENCE.

Stranger: by the points I have just made, no it is not

Stranger: Organism is a creature made up of lots of seperate systems

You: An organism that is dependent on another is still an organism

Stranger: if the creature does not have systems

Stranger: it is not an organism

Stranger: by your own BASIC SCIENCE DEFINITION

You: You're putting words in my mouth.

Stranger: a body made up of organs

Stranger: that is the definition of an organism

You: You said that, not me.

Stranger: that is THE DEFINITION

Stranger: THE ACTUAL DEFINITION

Stranger: without organs

Stranger: it is NOT an organism

Stranger: if it is not an organism

You: zygote
The single-celled organism that results from the joining of the egg and sperm.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/glossary-4338.htm#z

Stranger: it is a part of the mother

Stranger: that is the SINGLE CELLED ORGANISM definition

Stranger: made up of organelles

Stranger: which is what I asked you before you jackass

You: Not all cells are organisms.

Stranger: that also means that every cell in the body is an organism

You: A zygote is.

Stranger: form of life, such as a plant, animal, bacterium, protist, or fungus; a body made up of organs, organelles, or other parts that work together to carry on the various processes of life.

Stranger: all cells have organelles used to carry out the functions of life

Stranger: all cells are, therefore by that definition, organisms

Stranger: you have just been scienced

Stranger: now stfu

Stranger: :P

You: No.

Stranger: yes

You: A cell is PART of an organism.

Stranger: so is a zygote

Stranger: a zygote carries the INFORMATION for an organism

Stranger: but at the joining stage of sperm and egg

Stranger: it is still a cell

You: zygote One-celled organism resulting from fertilization. (40)

http://www.mhhe.com/socscience/devel/common/gloss/s-z.htm

Stranger: which is, TECHNICALLY an organism

Stranger: NO MORE SO THAN ANY OTHER CELL IN THE HUMAN BODY

You: The sperm and egg merge to form a little single-celled organism called a zygote

http://health.howstuffworks.com/pregnancy-and-parenting/pregnancy/issues/pregnancy1.htm

You: The human body is an organism.

Stranger: NO MORE SO THAN ANY OTHER CELL IN THE HUMAN BODY

You: No, individual cells in a human ARE NOT ORGANISMS.

Stranger: yes they are

You: No, they aren't. They're cells.

Stranger: The cell is the functional basic unit of life

You: Yes, they're what multicellular organisms are made of.

You: Cells are no more organisms than fingers are people.

Stranger: and, standalone, they are themselves single celled organisms

You: No, they're cells.

Stranger: a finger, along, if you left it with food would not survive

You: Not all cells are organisms.

Stranger: a cell in the human body, if left with food, would flourish, and grow, and divide

Stranger: it has organelles which carry out the basic functions of life

Stranger: which is the definition of organism

You: If you just plop a cell next to a hamburger, it would die.

Stranger: if you plop a zygote next to a hamburger it would die too

Stranger: JACKASS

Stranger: >:/

You: If you took a finger and pumped blood through it so all of its cells got nutrients, it wouldn't die.

Stranger: but then it would be attatched to a circulatory system

You: So?

Stranger: so it could not survive without the whole

Stranger: it could not survive on its own

Stranger: any cell in the human body could

You: It needs something to get the nutrients to its cells. An ad hoc "circulatory system" is the most efficient way to do that.

Stranger: yes

Stranger: so it cannot stand alone

Stranger: a cell can

Stranger: but look

Stranger: i need to go in a min

Stranger: ive loved this convo

Stranger: do you have an email address

You: Yeah.

Stranger: we could continue?

You:

Stranger: awesome

Stranger: Ill see you later bro

Stranger: :L

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You: Hey. :) How do you feel about abortion?

Stranger: pro-choice

You: Why?

Stranger: cuz i feel that if a woman wants to abort, then let her

You: Does that apply through all 9 months?

Stranger: i suppose

You: So if a woman wants to get an abortion and she's past her due date, she should be allowed?

Stranger: if she wants

You: What if she gives birth prematurely? Should she be allowed to kill the newborn?

Stranger: well thats not abortion, now is it?

You: What's the difference? Why does the exact same person have a right to live or not based solely on his or her location?

Stranger: im not saying its right or wrong, im saying technically its not called abortion naymore

Stranger: anymore*

You: Is it right to kill a born baby that was premature?

Stranger: personally, i dont think its either, and weather something's right or wrong is a label created by the individual based on their personal ethics

You: Should she be allowed to kill the premature born baby if she wants to?

Stranger: it wouldnt affect me at all so i dont see why not, but at the same time, it's rather cruel, so i dont see why she would

You: A teen mom a few months ago tried to kill her 4-month-old son to "make life easier".

You: Should she have been allowed to?

Stranger: as unfortunate that might look in the eyes of society, its is rational

You: What if the baby was four years old instead of four months?

Stranger: im talking rational in the sense of removing the child from her life, example through killing, but she aslo could have gave it away, or let her parents or someone she trusts care for it, as another example

Stranger: both examples being justified in that her life is now "easier"

You: Should she have been allowed to kill the baby?

Stranger: theoretically, yes

Stranger: although

Stranger: it would probably be in the best interest of all to go with the latter example

You: If the baby had been 4 years instead of 4 months, should she still have been allowed to kill him?

Stranger: again, yes, but like i just said it would probably be a better idea to let someone else care for it

You: What if he was 14?

Stranger: at that point hes old enough to partly care for himself, and also the mother would probably be both too emotionally attached to him, and could be able to care for him as well

You: Should she be allowed or not?

Stranger: idk why she would, but if she really wanted to

You: What if he wasn't her son, and just some random teen. Should she still be allowed to kill him?

Stranger: now its not even close to abortion where are we going with this

You: I just want to know when you get to have your life protected in the law, since you think she should be allowed to kill her 14-year-old son.

Stranger: well law is just a set of rules created by society to keep order, and by their definition, any form of killing afore

Stranger: afore mentioned here*

Stranger: outside of the womb is illegal

You: But should it be?

Stranger: well that is where you have the conflict between law and personal ethics

Stranger: so the answer is different for everyone

Stranger: to a degree

You: Should the law just let anyone do whatever they want?

Stranger: no, thats exactly what the law fights against, so ensure people just go do whatever they want.

Stranger: just dont go*

You: But you said that she should be allowed to kill her son

Stranger: by my ethics yes,
by law no

You: According to your ethics, when shouldn't she be allowed to kill him?

Stranger: when it becomes impractical to do so

Stranger: meaning

Stranger: when the child is no longer a burden to her

You: So she should be allowed to kill her son as long as he's a burden on her?

Stranger: basically untill she has no justification to do so

You: That's... kinda sick.

Stranger: like if he's 14, he's not going to bare her down, he can do things on his own, she has no need to kill him, but at the same time, as an infant, she is completely dependent on her

Stranger: not saying that 14 is the turning point, of course

Stranger: its a gradual turning point

You: You can't half-kill someone. She can either kill him or he can't.

Stranger: that isnt half killing, its either killing or it isnt, she kills him when he's an infant, or she never kills him

You: At what point can't she kill him?

Stranger: like i said its a gradual turning point

You: There can't be a gradual turning point for a yes or no question.

You: Either she can kill him or she can't. At some point, the answer switches from yes to no.

Stranger: so then tell me, at what exact age does an individual become able to for the most part, do things on their own? not legally, but physically capable of it?

Stranger: whats the exact age?

You: What doe you mean by that?

Stranger: like, take me for example, im 17, i can mostly do stuff without the help of my parents, i cant legally be on my own, but i can physically care for myself for the most part

Stranger: whats the exact age in which someone can do that?

You: It depends on the person.

Stranger: exatcly

Stranger: and thats why the turning point is gradual

You: It varies, but it's not gradual.

Stranger: but its not like one day you wake up with the ability to care for yourself like i described

Stranger: its something you gradually become able to do over time

You: You get better and better at it until the point when you can take care of yourself.

You: But I digress.

You: If the boy is handicapped and can't take care of himself even at 22, can she kill him?

Stranger: and wheres the exact point that someone becomes just a bit better and switches over to the "capable" side?

Stranger: there isnt a specific point

You: What part of "I digress" didn't you understand?

Stranger: oh i didnt see that sorry

Stranger: i was typing

You: That's okay.

You: If the boy is handicapped and can't take care of himself even at 22, can she kill him?

Stranger: theoretically yes, but why would she? at that point she would definitely be too emotionally attached to do so, and by then she would have acquired a job most likely, and just like any other functioning household she can care for him without it being a burden to her

You: That's... pretty disgusting.

You: Can you not see how sick that is?

Stranger: i see how one can view it as such

You: I...

You: No offense, but you're evil.

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