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You: Tacos are awesome, but abortion isn't.

Stranger: yes it is

Stranger: you lie

You: What?

Stranger: and tacos arent hat great

You: How is abortion awesome?

Stranger: how isnt it?

You: It's mean.

Stranger: to who?

You: To the baby.

Stranger: its not a baby

Stranger: its a foetus

You: Same thing, according to the dictionary.

Stranger: no its not

Stranger: learn to read the dictionary before you quote it O_O

You: Fine you want a link?

Stranger: gladly

You: hold on

Stranger: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foetus

Stranger: theres one for you

You: That's Wikipedia.

Stranger: yes it is

Stranger: its more detailed

Stranger: than a definition

You: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia.

You: http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=baby

Stranger: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=define%3Afoetus&aq=f&aqi=g1g-s1g8&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Stranger: http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=foetus&o2=&o0=1&o7=&o5=&o1=1&o6=&o4=&o3=&h=00000000

Stranger: your look at the wrong word noob

Stranger: read what a foetus is before deciding the its a baby

You: S: (n) baby (an unborn child; a human fetus) "I felt healthy and very feminine carrying the baby"; "it was great to feel my baby moving about inside"

Stranger: thats not

Stranger: a definition

Stranger: for foetus

Stranger: •S: (n) fetus, foetus (an unborn or unhatched vertebrate in the later stages of development showing the main recognizable features of the mature animal)

Stranger: this is

You: It's a definition for babt.

You: Fine.

Stranger: and if you read it

Stranger: its clearly not a baby

You: How so?

Stranger: i know scientific words are hard for some people

Stranger: but just read carefully

You: "Baby" is not a scientific word.

Stranger: foetus is

You: Fine.

You: Let's say child.

Stranger: you dont seem to have problems understanding baby

Stranger: you cant abort children

Stranger: or babies

Stranger: thats my point

You: Main Entry: child
Pronunciation: \ˈchī(-ə)ld\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural chil·dren \ˈchil-drən, -dərn\
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English cild; akin to Gothic kilthei womb, and perhaps to Sanskrit jaṭhara belly
Date: before 12th century
1 a : an unborn or recently born person

Stranger: thats the point

Stranger: a foetus is not a person

You: Let's skip the semantics.

You: Abortion is mean to the embryo or fetus.

You: There.

You: Happy now?

Stranger: its not even a person

Stranger: its like being mean to a plant

You: The embryo is as human as you or me.

Stranger: not rly

Stranger: its brain isnt quite there

You: We aren't talking about dog fetuses.

Stranger: it wouldnt matter if we were

You: We're talking about fetuses with human parents and human DNA.

Stranger: in early stages all mammalian foetus' are very similar

You: You're thinking of embryos.

Stranger: i am thats true

Stranger: im not very crisp

Stranger: its 2 am

Stranger: which for me is late

Stranger: anywho

You: And you're also speaking of an aesthetic similarity.

Stranger: my point being it hasnt developed human emotions and such

Stranger: its just basic stuff

You: Similar in appearence, but belonging to entirely different species.

Stranger: thus the brain size hardly matters

Stranger: that wasnt my point bubba

Stranger: my point was in earlier stages the uniqueness of a species hasnt rly developed

Stranger: it takes alot longer

Stranger: a foetus is just a lump of flesh

You: What do you mean "the uniqueness of a species"?

You: You're one to talk!

Stranger: cognitive processing

You: What do you think you're made of, plastic?

Stranger: talking about their lack of mind

You: Mind is just a function of flesh.

Stranger: it doesnt matter

Stranger: your saying its mean

Stranger: they dont even know what mean is

You: So would it not be mean to murder someone in a coma?

Stranger: without cognitive processing they are no better than plants

Stranger: calling it a human child at that stage is obsurd

Stranger: and no

Stranger: it wouldnt be

Stranger: in my opinion its a blessing

Stranger: its unnatural to support people in that state

You: I'm talking about a coma, not brain death.

Stranger: in fact

Stranger: thats a similar situation

Stranger: to the reasoning behind abortion

You: As in a temporary state of unconsciousness.

Stranger: or at least what i see as the reasoning for most abortions

Stranger: that being for the people who need to support the child/coma patient, they may not have the means or the money to support them

Stranger: but clearly

You: So it's okay to kill someone who's in a temporary coma, and will wake up soon?

Stranger: mmm well

Stranger: i would think that the shortness takes away from what iv just said

Stranger: its possible than in some situations it would be

Stranger: but i cant think of any

Stranger: that*

You: If someone's going to be in a coma for, say, a week, can I kill them?

Stranger: thats an impossible situation

You: Not at all.

Stranger: because you dont know how long a person will be in a coma for

Stranger: if you did it would simplify things

Stranger: and instead of arguing this

Stranger: which is clearly semantics

Stranger: why dont you provide reasoning

You: The person in a coma has no human emotion.

Stranger: that a foetus does indeed have the mind and the means

Stranger: to be considered human

Stranger: a person in a coma is unconscious

Stranger: they do have human emotion

You: "Human" is a purely biological word, indicating membership in the species H. sapiens, especially the subspecies H. sapiens sapiens.

Stranger: their minds are just inactive

Stranger: a baby has not developed one

Stranger: ugh = =

Stranger: its a list

Stranger: its not scientific

You: "Human" is a list?

Stranger: the term "human emotion" is not scientific

Stranger: its not the cause its the result

You: "Human emotion" is a term you just made up, as far as I can tell.

Stranger: im saying they dont have developed human minds

Stranger: capable of thinking and feeling as people

You: What is a "human mind"?

Stranger: skip the nit picking and make a valid point

You: Okay.

Stranger: its a brain

Stranger: the thing in your head?

You: Yeah, I've had a brain in my head since I was an embryo.

Stranger: yes

Stranger: an undeveloped one

You: There's no such thing as a "developed brain".

Stranger: so you going to make your point?

You: Our brains develop until we die.

Stranger: no they dont

Stranger: you may learn new things

Stranger: but they develop until your 24?

Stranger: or 21

Stranger: its early 20's

You: 30s, IIRC

Stranger: just as your body develops until around 21

You: 35 is when it stops, I think.

You: A newborn baby's brain has not finished developing.

Stranger: yes

Stranger: but mst of that development

You: Does that make it okay to kill a newborn?

Stranger: is as a baby and a young child

Stranger: and no it doesnt

You: Why not?

Stranger: because its alot further along

Stranger: its not even okay to kill late stage foetus

You: So a human is only a human when he or she is capable of thought of a higher order than other animals?

Stranger: no

Stranger: you said yourself thats its a biological term

Stranger: but i would say a human is only a human once they have developed to a certain extent

You: What do you mean by that?

Stranger: i have been talking about brains

Stranger: all along

Stranger: i just dont like the way you phrased it above

You: So what does a brain need to be capable of to be human?

Stranger: Full brain developtment for adolecents occurs at around age 12, and then ceases to develop significantly, or at all, later.


At about age 25 the brain becomes the final areas of brain development, areas that inhibit risky behavoir, are finished.

Stranger: i was one year off

Stranger: poor me

Stranger: your asking me to quantify my emotional disposition about okay and not okay?

Stranger: well then i will askk you

Stranger: what does a brain need to be capable of for you to think its being mean

You: So something happens in cerebral development before age 12 that is significant?

Stranger: no thats irrevelant

Stranger: i just copied

Stranger: the 2 lines instead of just the last one

Stranger: for context

Stranger: i wasnt arguing there

Stranger: just self commenting

Stranger: that i was a year off

Stranger: anywho

You: Well you think that even though a 6-year-old has an underdeveloped brain, he can't be killed.

Stranger: You: what does a brain need to be capable of for you to think its being mean

Stranger: that was my question

Stranger: stick to it

You: Okay.

Stranger: well?

You: I don't think that that is a question that makes sense any more than "what does a liver need to be capable of for you to think its being mean".

You: The brain's capabilities are irrelevant as to human rights.

Stranger: im not going to argue over my writing style

Stranger: when im tired

Stranger: for you to think its mean to kill the organism in question

You: I'm not saying you're writing is confusing.

You: It was syntactically coherent.

Stranger: well then ican only assume your seperating thought and emotion from brain function?

You: No, I am not.

Stranger: it was but not in its intended meaning

You: Thought and emotion are irrelevant as to human rights.

Stranger: we werent talking about human rights

You: Human rights are held intrinsically by all humans, hence the name.

Stranger: we were discussing my opinion of abortion

Stranger: its a personal opinion

Stranger: opinion are biased

Stranger: blah

You: The right to not be killed is the most basic human right!

Stranger: opinions

Stranger: i dont consider a foetus a human

Stranger: thus cognitively i cannot think of it having rights

You: I think you're talking about the philosophical definition of "personhood" (self-awareness, cognitive thought, the ability to plan, and thought beyond instinctual behavior?

Stranger: and thus i dont feel it is wrong to kill it

Stranger: know im talking about the term

Stranger: or maybe im using the word incorrectly

You: "Human" is a biological concept, analogous to "avian" or "bovine".

Stranger: but i just meant my process of thought

You: I think you're talking about the philosophical definition of "personhood" (self-awareness, cognitive thought, the ability to plan, and thought beyond instinctual behavior?

Stranger: human is not just a biological concept

Stranger: it has many other attachments as well

Stranger: ugh bombardment my head spins

You: Lemme simplify things.

Stranger: you dont need to

Stranger: i wasreferring to my lack of reading that properly

Stranger: the first time

You: If we're talking philosophy, right versus wrong, and so on, the term is personhood.

Stranger: so are you saying in this

Stranger: that you believe that it is human

Stranger: genetically speaking

Stranger: and thus deserves the same rights

You: Biologically speaking.

Stranger: thats your point right?

Stranger: - -

You: Correct. I see the \philosophical definition of "personhood" (self-awareness, cognitive thought, the ability to plan, and thought beyond instinctual behavior) as insufficient and flawed.

Stranger: fair enuf

Stranger: but when it comes down to it people always compare

Stranger: im leaving the realm of science

Stranger: and giving you a personal opinion

You: If we're going to use that definition, newborns and the very mentally disabled don't count.

Stranger: humans dont provide rights to things they consider beneath them

Stranger: even if they are human

You: The same logic was given for slavery.

Stranger: whats the term

Stranger: cognitive dissonance?

Stranger: its also the reason for war

Stranger: in my opinion

You: The term is bigotry, discrimination, and so on.

Stranger: if you convince the people they are better than others, they wont object to killing them

You: War is also mean.

Stranger: no its not

Stranger: its my opinion of how people react

Stranger: slavery is an example

Stranger: so is abortion

Stranger: so is war

You: Hundreds of innocent schoolchildren covered in napalm is not mean?

You: I think "mean" is an understatement.

Stranger: the term is cognitive dissonance

You: So is slavery okay?

Stranger: as in even if people cancognitively process that doing something is wrong, they make excuses to themselves and believe them to allow for the behavious to continue

Stranger: that was bad

Stranger: lets give an example

Stranger: im a smoker

Stranger: i know smoking is killing me

Stranger: and that it gives people cancer

You: So you're admitting that your opinion is irrational?

Stranger: etc. etc.

Stranger: but i make excuses to myself

Stranger: to allow me to continue that irrational behaviour

Stranger: im admitting my explanation of cognitive dissonance was horribly

Stranger: horrible

Stranger: gah

You: So if someone makes excuses for raping a toddler, does that make it okay?

Stranger: nope

You: Why not?

Stranger: are raping babies and making excuses

Stranger: but if the majority of people in society

Stranger: then unfortunately

Stranger: it would be seen as okay

You: What?

Stranger: im saying that people in general

Stranger: not one individual

Stranger: have trouble connecting the reasoning that its wrong to kill humans, and foetus' are humans together

You: So rationally abortion is wrong, but people can't accept that because of emotion and human flaws?

Stranger: probably

Stranger: i cant say for sure its wrong

You: So you're not basing your beliefs on logic or reasonings?

Stranger: because the idea of human rights is also in the same way a human emotion of sorts

Stranger: certain things feel wrong

Stranger: wrong is subjective

You: You seem to be making excuses.

You: Is it really?

Stranger: it is

Stranger: i dont think dogs care

Stranger: if we have abortions

Stranger: do they?

You: I think they're more concerned with other dogs.

Stranger: its our human perspective, which is also linked with our human emotions and flaws

Stranger: so i cant say if its wrong or not

Stranger: but if you ask me if i have an issue with it

You: Is it subjective to say it would be wrong to go up to my neighbor, set his house on fire, rape his children, and then play Hannah Montana songs at full blast?

Stranger: or if i think it should be stopped for ethical reasons

Stranger: then no i dont

Stranger: and im done arguing now

Stranger: because its pointless

You: Why don't you think it should be stopped?

Stranger: you cant convince someone your right without evidence

You: I don't even know what you think.

Stranger: and you cant provide evidence for an opinion on ethics

Stranger: there is no quantifiable measure

Stranger: my opinion

You: Does the same apply to rape, arson, and slavery?

Stranger: anything is fine

Stranger: as long as it doesnt happen to me

Stranger: as such

You: Does the same apply to rape, arson, and slavery?

Stranger: what the law says is wrong

Stranger: is wrong

Stranger: and what the law says is fine is fine

Stranger: thus abortion is fine rape, arson, slavery are wrong

Stranger: i dont link abortion to any crime

Stranger: or any violation of human rights

Stranger: because

You: Was slavery fine when it was legal?

Stranger: I DONT CONSIDER THEM HUMAN

Stranger: i have ethical issues

Stranger: with rape

You: Could you email me? I have to go.

Stranger: but if someone rapes a foetus

Stranger: i wouldnt care

Stranger: nah its fine

Stranger: thats all i had to say

Stranger: enjoy your night of trolling

You: You said it was okay if it happened to someone else

Stranger: no i didnt

Stranger: i said i dont care

Stranger: thats my opinion

Stranger: but from a societal standpoint

Stranger: its not good

Stranger: because if it happens to someone it can happen to anyone

Stranger: i have concern for humanity

You: what if it was limited to toddlers?

You: you arent a toddler

Stranger: i consider everything after birth as human

You: but not a minute before?

Stranger: and late stages of foetal development

Stranger: if i considered earlier stages as well

You: Why?

Stranger: then i would have an issue with it

Stranger: because

Stranger: thats an opinion

Stranger: its my perception

You: Many animals are smarter than late term fetuses and newborns

Stranger: your point?

You: The brain is clearly a poor metrc.

Stranger: its not a metric

You: why cant a late fetus be killed

Stranger: it can be

Stranger: :)

You: can a newborn?

Stranger: its just illegal

Stranger: but it can be

Stranger: if your asking what i think is right and wrong

You: not illegal in usa

Stranger: after birth it breathes on its own

Stranger: and its a completely seperate entity

You: not for a few minutes

Stranger: from its mother

Stranger: - Daryl says (2:38 AM):
*it wasnt like last time tho, that was death
*so are we gna kill some babies tmrw?

Stranger: lol the irony

You: ?

Stranger: my friend is using that lovely term to ask if we are drinking? i think

You: lol

You: the baby doesnt breath as soon as its born

Stranger: my main point is the being an individual thing

Stranger: the breathing is just to mean it produces its own energy

You: if its still connected is it?

Stranger: im not sure actually?

You: fetus makes its own energy too

You: just takes food from mom

You: makes energy from foof

You: food

Stranger: the blood is connected

You: no, its not

Stranger: so much blood

Stranger: spinning

Stranger: and flying

You: nutrients are exchanged indirectly through diffusion

You: if the blood mixed, the mother's immune system would reject the fetus

You: the fetus is a separate organism

You: my email is [email]

Stranger: i cant think of it that way

You: whats urs

Stranger: random.guy101@hotmail.com

Stranger: its not that i dont know that

Stranger: i did biology

Stranger: but its an opinion

Stranger: and even if the base logic is flawed

You: its not an opinion

Stranger: no

You: its fact, the embryo is an organism

Stranger: my view of foetus' is an opinion

Stranger: im not disputing you

Stranger: im saying that what i said is opinion

Stranger: since

Stranger: yes right and wrong are subjective

You: even for rape?

Stranger: i think so?

Stranger: there might be some people who think its right

Stranger: i think the abortion laws are just popular opinion

Stranger: same as gay marriage laws

Stranger: its not about public safety or w.e

Stranger: the issues are entirely subjective

You: g2g

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