Neutralization

You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!

You: What's your stance on abortion?

Stranger: Hey

Stranger: Why do you need to know?

You: Just curious.

Stranger: Well, mine is absolutely non-religious

Stranger: I'm atheist you see

You: So is mine.

You: OMG me too!

Stranger: And I'd say that it all depends on the situation

You: When is it wrong?

Stranger: If she is pregnant with a baby which could ruin her life, she should get an abortion

Stranger: A fetus isn't a fully developed human conciousness

Stranger: Thus, it's just about as big of a deal as an animal

You: What do you mean by "human consciousness"?

Stranger: That's my stance anyway

You: Do you mean self-awareness?

Stranger: It's cannot think, it does not have a personality, and it won't mind.

Stranger: The crucial bit is "it"

You: Fetuses have gender.

Stranger: But we do not refer to them as "He" or "She"

You: We do if we know the gender.

Stranger: Generally fetus is refered to as "it"

Stranger: Either way, all depends on the situation

You: Only if the sex is unknown.

You: Then again, we call newborns "it" if we don't know the gender.

Stranger: *Siiigh*

Stranger: Situation is all. That's my opinion

You: So, are you saying that a fetus has no rights because the fetus does not possess the capability for self-awareness or rational thought?

Stranger: Give me a second

Stranger: This kind of thing is morally grey

You: It is the killing of one human being by another. Homicide, plain and simple.

Stranger: Why do you ask my opinion when you have yours?

You: You are using an arbitrary psychological distinction to deny a segment of the population their respect and dignity as human beings.

You: It's not an opinion that abortion is homicide

Stranger: Just on a side note

Stranger: http://www.cracked.com/article_18405_7-insane-ways-music-affects-body-according-to-science.html

Stranger: Whoa

Stranger: But anyway

You: i was gonna read that but it didnt look interesting

You: hom⋅i⋅cide  [hom-uh-sahyd, hoh-muh-] Show IPA
–noun
1. the killing of one human being by another.
2. a person who kills another; murderer.

Stranger: You know, the more complicated words you use the more complicated the answer is going to become

You: Homicide is a very simple word.

Stranger: Genius is in simplicity

Stranger: You are using an arbitrary psychological distinction to deny a segment of the population their respect and dignity as human beings.

Stranger: I was refering to that

You: That is true.

You: You say that the offspring in utero is less developed intellectually, and, thus, is ethically irrelevant.

You: I see that as appalling and discriminatory.

Stranger: Hey, to each his own.

You: If we go down that road, Dr. Peter Singer is correct in saying infants have no rights.

Stranger: I have never heard of Dr. Peter Singer

Stranger: Besides

Stranger: His opinion is irrevalent.

Stranger: Every case is unique

You: It is a fact that human newborns are not self-aware.

You: In every case, the offspring is a living member of the species homo sapiens.

You: And, thus, every abortion is homicide.

Stranger: Thankyou, stranger, you are confusing me more and more as we go along. When we started this conversation I had a pretty clear idea in my mind, but now it is long lost

Stranger: Thanks.

You: I'm just clarifying that, if you're going to say "A fetus isn't a fully developed human conciousness", that would apply to newborns as well

Stranger: Actually, now that I think ofit

Stranger: it*

You: Nothing psychological changes at birth.

Stranger: I think it is wrong to have an abortion only after 23 weeks of pregnancy

You: Why?

You: What changes then that makes the 22 week fetus unimportant?

Stranger: I think it is after that amount of time that a Fetus can survive without the help of the mother

Stranger: I'm not entirely sure though

You: The point of viability changes culturally.

Stranger: *Sigh*

Stranger: On an off-topic note

You: In Africa, where the medicine is not as advanced, viability is later.

Stranger: Why are you on this website

You: Because I felt like it.

Stranger: Only 5% of people on here are not pubescant males who ask for CAM2CAM!!!!

You: When artificial wombs are perfected, viability will be at conception.

Stranger: Asking them about abortion would be rather stupid

Stranger: Artificial wombs

You: Yeah, it's my horny teen detterant

Stranger: Wait until the church hears of that.

You: What do you mean?

Stranger: What do you think would be Catholic's reaction to a synthetic womb?

You: No clue. They aren't mentioned in the Bible.

Stranger: Hell, it might go to the point of another Schism.

Stranger: It'll be Northern Ireland, only all over the world

Stranger: Future here we come.

You: LOL

Stranger: I'm glad you find that amusing

Stranger: You won't be that happy when a mad catholic will try to fuck you over because of this.

You: So, as medical technology increases and viability gets pushed further and further back, will embryos magically become valuable?

You: What?

Stranger: Nevermind

Stranger: Erm

Stranger: Who knows.

Stranger: Time will tell

Stranger: Right now I'm just going to live my life

Stranger: They tell me that these are the best years of my life

You: Nothing changes philosophically at viability.

Stranger: Right.

Stranger: That helped.

Stranger: Why don't you just leave the topic alone and use a condom or something else

You: I'm a virgin.

Stranger: So am I.

Stranger: I suppose it shows

You: But I don't leave it alone because over a third of my generation was aborted.

Stranger: We're talking on a random website, about abortion.

You: I used to be a fetus.

You: I take it personally.

Stranger: Most people did.

Stranger: Erm

Stranger: Well

Stranger: Good luck with that.

Stranger: I choose the simple aproach of not caring

Stranger: Until it affects my life anyway

Stranger: Besides, if you take it personally you'll be biased

Stranger: Thus your opinion will be of no value in a debate

You: Are you a guy or girl?

Stranger: Thus it's not worth it

Stranger: Give it an intelligent guess.

You: I have done that as well.

You: Because abortion is homicide, it cannot be tolerated without a damn good reason.

Stranger: The use of a curse indicated emotion

Stranger: Thus you are still very much biased

Stranger: Thus the opinion is irrevalent.

Stranger: Seriously

Stranger: Why do you trouble yourself with this

You: That's some of the worst logic I've read.

Stranger: Hey, better than none

You: My argument can damn well be a fucking good argument, and logic doesn't give a shit how many goddamn cursewords I use.

Stranger: Nice one.

Stranger: It's just that you didn't swear up to that point

Stranger: But anyway

Stranger: Huh, I'm completely dry.

You: Dry?

Stranger: By the way, I take it you are a girl

Stranger: Dry, out of arguments, out of words

Stranger: That kind of thing

You: You take it wrong.

Stranger: What the

Stranger: So you are a guy who cares about abortion

Stranger: This is just outright weird.

You: Hey, half of the fetuses are dudes.

Stranger: Who GIVES TWO SHITS?

You: I suggest you research Dr. Peter Singer. He uses your arguments and says if parents give birth to a disabled infant, they can just say "Oops, doover" and kill him or her

Stranger: It's like you are going to get an abortion

Stranger: Do I sound like the kind of guy who cares about what Dr, Peter Singer says?

Stranger: Dr.*

You: No, and I'm also not going to rape my daughter. I can say both are wrong.

Stranger: Hell of an answer.

You: You should. It's where your premises lead to

Stranger: Alright, let me re-phrase

Stranger: Do I sound like the kind of guy who cares about where my premises lead to?

You: I assumed, as an atheist, you would be logical.

You: I'm sorry.

Stranger: Jeesh

Stranger: I am atheist is simply because I realized what a load of nonsense religion is

Stranger: A guy lived in a "Big fish" for 3 days

You: You should also realize what a load of nonsense infanticide is.

Stranger: An old man went up the mountain, talked to a burning bush, and got commandments from "God"

Stranger: Why should I?

Stranger: I'm 15, why should I care?

You: Because you're a human being, and you should try to not promote evil

Stranger: Evil

Stranger: Hah

Stranger: Everyone is evil in some way

Stranger: But you'll never know

Stranger: Anyway

Stranger: Erm

Stranger: Right, abortion

Stranger: I just came up with an answer to the original question

Stranger: I do not have an opinion

Stranger: It's up to them to decide

You: Up to who?

Stranger: Up to the ones involved

You: Should infanticide be up to the people involved too?

Stranger: How am I supposed to know?

Stranger: I'm 15.

You: It should be common sense that it is wrong to kill a newborn baby.

Stranger: Hey, if it will be up to me I'll avoid getting that fetus in in the first place

Stranger: Kids, nah.

You: There are 3700 babies being aborted every day. That's more than 9/11. It's not something that you can ignore.

Stranger: I don't care too much about 9/11 either

Stranger: I live MY life and let others worry about theirs

You: Do you care about the Holocaust?

Stranger: Nope

Stranger: People die everyday

You: Well, YOUR life began at fertilization.

You: Does that make murder okay?

Stranger: Just because some prick decided that a particular kind of people doesn't make them special

You: There's a difference between homicide and natural death.

Stranger: First world decided that 3rd world shall die of starvation

Stranger: Yeah, being cheated out of money sure is natural.

You: If we went over there with guns and shot them, we'd get arrested.

You: There's a difference.

Stranger: The difference is in politics

Stranger: They're doing pretty much the same thing, only sparring the AMMO

You: Okay, let's say there's a hobo named George in NYC.

You: I live in Ohio.

You: If I drive over and shoot him, I'm arrested.

Stranger: Toughg luck to George, he probably fucked up somewhere along the line

Stranger: Tough*

You: If he dies of cancer, I don't.

Stranger: And?

Stranger: There is a difference between a hobo and a continent

You: People die. That's a fact of life.

You: That doesn't mean that murder is okay.

Stranger: Aha

Stranger: Well

Stranger: Thankyou for a brilliant conversation

Stranger: C ya.

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