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You: What's your stance on abortion?

Stranger: shouldnt be allowed :P

You: Should it ever?

Stranger: only when the girl is too young ;)

You: Why shouldn't it be allowed otherwise?

Stranger: no good future for the kid :)

You: No, why SHOULDN'T it be allowed if she's old enough?

Stranger: Ah

Stranger: Well more options for her to raise her child

Stranger: Through adoption etc

You: So?

Stranger: You're a tough one, hehe :p

You: I mean, a young girl can also place her kid for adoption. So there must be something else.

You: What about abortion makes it immoral?

Stranger: Yeah but it's quite the experience for the young girl to bare a child

Stranger: and then take it away

You: What if she's one of those girls that only finds out she's pregnant at birth?

You: Can she murder the born baby?

Stranger: How often does that happen really?

You: There's a whole TV series called I Didn't Know I Was Pregnant.

Stranger: In the U.S?

Stranger: Didn't know

You: Yes.

You: On TLC.

Stranger: But anyway, well you can't "murder" a born baby

Stranger: That's cruel

You: Why?

Stranger: Cause I don't consider it a human being when it's still inside a womb

You: It's the same kid as before birth.

Stranger: Outside I do

You: If it's not a human being, what is it?

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You: IT has to be something.

Stranger: Well it's still human ofcourse but I don't consider it one emotionally

Stranger: if you get my drift

You: No, I don't.

Stranger: For me it hasn't lived yet

Stranger: What's your stance on abortion anyway?

You: You are biologically inaccurate.

You: It is a living human being from the moment of conception and you know that.

You: An organism with human parents and human DNA cannot be anything else but human.

Stranger: Yeah, well ofcourse

You: And dead things don't grow or need food.

Stranger: Still, do you consider it alive in the womb?

Stranger: Do you think it has a "soul"?

Stranger: any awareness?

You: I do not believe in souls.

Stranger: Hence "soul" :p

You: But I acknowledge that the unborn child is as human as you and I.

You: By awareness, it depends on what you mean.

You: Conscious self-awareness comes 18 months after birth.

Stranger: Will it notice being aborted? Does it know it's inside the womb

Stranger: I don't think so?

You: So, in that sense, no.

Stranger: But I still don't know your stance on abortion

Stranger: Guess you're against it?

You: If it's a choice between the baby dying or the baby and the mother dying, I would allow it as a last resort.

You: Otherwise, no.

You: I'm against it.

You: If you're going to bring in "will it notice being aborted", it would be fine to kill newborns, the comatose, the sleeping, and fine to kill you quickly with a painless bullet between the eyes.

Stranger: Any religious reason for it? Or plainly moral issues with it?

You: I'm an atheist, so only moral.

Stranger: The difference between the baby and the others is that the previous one never was aware of anything

You: What do you mean?

Stranger: The comatose, I assume they weren't in coma 18 months after birth?

You: Why does that matter?

You: You asked if it would notice being killed.

You: The answer is no regardless of its history.

Stranger: That's your answer, not mine..

You: Stranger: Will it notice being aborted? Does it know it's inside the womb
Stranger: I don't think so?

Stranger: Ah, I thought you meant something else... I didn't expect such a conversation anyway

Stranger: I don't think I can explain it why it matters, it was just how I was raised to think this way

You: You are making an arbitrary psychological distinction that would depersonify newborns in order to discriminate against the unborn.

Stranger: Hmmh

You: Your belief system fails to account for premature infants as well.

You: The only different between a premature baby and an unborn baby is his or her physical location.

You: Neither location nor level of psychological development justify the wholesale slaughter of millions of innocent human beings.

You: I hope you will give this some thought, but I have work to get to.

You: Toodle-oo!

Stranger: See you :)

Stranger: Or well :P

Stranger: Bye! :p

You: u have my email if u wanna talk more

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