"Thinking for yourself" while ignoring the facts is called "delusion".

You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!

Stranger: hello.

You: What are your thoughts on abortion?

Stranger: I believe it is wrong.

Stranger: but its the females choice.

Stranger: so a mixture of both I suppose.

Stranger: yours?

You: Why is it wrong?

Stranger: because i believe that no little soon to be child should be killed.

Stranger: im not religous, at all.

Stranger: its just morals i guess.

You: Same here.

You: Why do you think it 's okay to kill someone?

Stranger: i dont think it is right.

Stranger: i didnt say that.

Stranger: haha i said its the womans choice, but i find it wrong.

You: Would you give the woman the choice to kill her toddler?

Stranger: yes.

Stranger: welll not toddler.

Stranger: but i mean the only instance i'd be okay with it is a rape situaion for abortion.

You: Why would you not support killing a born baby but support killing an unborn baby?

Stranger: i said the only situation i would let the mother is in a rape situation.

You: Okay, I think we can both agree that rape is terrible.

You: Rapists are the scum of the Earth, and ought to be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

You: In fact, you should face an additional crime if your victim gets pregnant.

You: Can we agree on those 3 points?

Stranger: yes.

Stranger: haha.

Stranger: but if the woman did get pregnant, you wouldn't support her choice to abort the fetus?

You: No, I would not.

You: Even the most vile guilt is not passed onto one's offspring.

You: The offspring of the rapist and his victim is 100% innocent.

You: In short, it's not the baby's fault.

Stranger: so you'd rather the woman live with the embodiement of the attack?

Stranger: to serve as a reminder that someone thought of her as trash?

You: Would you support her right to kill a toddler conceived in rape?

Stranger: no i would not.

Stranger: a toddler knows what is going on, its alive.

Stranger: it senses, it breathes.

You: An unborn baby is also alive.

Stranger: to an extent.

Stranger: but a toddler is more alive.

You: You're either alive or you aren't. If you are made of cells that divide, metabolize, and react to stimuli, you are alive.

Stranger: do you remember when you were a fetus?

Stranger: theres no feelings there, becuase the brain isnt alive.

You: I don't remember anything before I was 5.

Stranger: it is, but not really.

Stranger: i cant explain it.

Stranger: i feel like a fetus isnt a person.

Stranger: do you support gay marriage?

You: Well, if the fetus is a nonperson, it doesn't matter what the reason for the abortion is.

You: Totally.

Stranger: haha you got me there.

Stranger: lol

You: Well, ideally, I would have the government out of all marriage.

You: But if we have straight marriage, we should have gay marriage. :)

Stranger: i agree *l

Stranger: (:*

You: But that's a whole 'nother debate

You: Biologically, we know that the preborn baby is a human being, a living member of the species Homo s. sapiens.

Stranger: but i mean i think what makes a person, a person, is the actual being, the soul. the wants, the passion, ambition.

You: If we're going to start assigning rights based on some arbitrary psychological criterion, a lot of born people are in big trouble.

You: Among the animal kingdom, newborn human infants are intellectually unimpressive.

You: Now, some philosophers and ethicists argue that newborns aren't persons, but I would hope you would at least oppose infanticide.

Stranger: are you religous?

You: No, I am not.

Stranger: okay.

Stranger: haha i was just wondering to see if that effected your thoughts at all.

Stranger: lol

You: Nope.

You: I won't be religious until I find a good reason to.

Stranger: haha. I think organized religon is stupid.

You: Just organized religion?

You: Disorganized religion is fine?

Stranger: yes, I think it's a way to make people feel better about themselves, and it's a big fundraiser.

You: So, you think more rights should be assigned to those who are more intellectually developed?

Stranger: yes.

You: Why?

Stranger: wait, i'm not sure on that one.

Stranger: hahahha.

You: It seems to me you're view is terribly elitist and exclusuionary.

Stranger: haha thanks.

Stranger: ass.

You: So, you DO think that a newborn infant deserves basic human dignity, right?

Stranger: yes.

You: What about a premature baby?

Stranger: yes.

You: What about that same baby, 8 inches away in her mother's womb?

Stranger: i dont consider that baby alive.

You: If the baby isn't alive, why does she need food and oxygen?

You: How is she growing?

You: Dead cells don't divide.

Stranger: well, I think we have different definitions of being alive.

You: What grade are you in?

Stranger: sophmore.

You: Okay.

You: Well, do you have a biology textbook with you?

Stranger: no, I don't want a textbook answer.

Stranger: it's a personal thought, I guess.

Stranger: being alive isn't biology.

Stranger: to me at least.

You: Biology is the study of life.

You: I can't think of a better source for a definition.

Stranger: Biology is physically alive.

Stranger: I have a different view of truley being a person.

You: You seem to be getting into a pretty religious argument.

Stranger: no, I'm not religous at all.

Stranger: haha.

You: If we're gonna pass laws, they should be rooted in sound science, not dogma or personal delusions.

You: The fetus is alive.

You: That's a fact.

Stranger: first, it's not a personal delusion because you don't agree with it, all you have is your view of science that tells you what is fact.

Stranger: if you cant think past a purely scientific view, sorry for you.

Stranger: but science isnt going to change my views.

You: Sorry my comp froze up for a sec.

You: It's not "my view of science".

You: That's what's neat about science.

You: It's objectively true; there's no "my view, your view".

You: I forgot who said it, and my comp won't let me search for it, but "You're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.".

Stranger: let me ask you this, is a vegetable who is only capable of breathing, alive?

You: Vegetables can breath?

Stranger: i mean biologicaly yes, but mentaly, they're not a person.

You: You mean photosynthesize?

Stranger: no, i mean people.

Stranger: the term vegetable.

Stranger: for a person who is brain dead.

You: Yes, they are alive.

Stranger: but they are not a person.

You: An actual vegetable is alive too..

You: Why not?

Stranger: they are alive, but not a person. becuase they can't even think. that is such a sad view on life to think what makes us alive is biology and cells.

You: You apparently don't think brainpower gives you rights, since you said a premature baby is a person.

Stranger: i dont know, your annoying me now, you're a very closeminded person.

You: If you can present scientific evidence, I will change my mind, but "You're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.".

Stranger: i mean all you have is science, do you have any personal views based on life?

Stranger: i hate the kind of people who are all fact and no true beliefs.

You: What do you mean by personal views?

Stranger: you believe it because it's what you've been told.

Stranger: and i feel bad for you.

You: If you want a purely emotional argument, I can give you one.

You: I just don't like being emotional 'cause it doesn't typically get results.

You: But here we goooooo....

You: ...ooooo...:

You: I used to be a fetus.

You: and an embryo

Stranger: you're an arrogant ass, and I don't like you. Enjoy your textbook view of living, and I hope you learn soon what it means to be alive.

You: To say you support abortion is, to me, like saying you'd support infanticide

You: That's my opinion, and I've told you the facts/

Stranger: learn what it is to live.

You: To live, or to enjoy your life?

Stranger: to live.

You: I can live and not enjoy it.

You: It's called high school. ;-D

Stranger: i never said to enjoy it, you just have no real views on being alive, which makes me feel bad for you.

Stranger: all you have is what you've been told.

You: Do you mean alive in the scientific sense, or in the poetic sense?

Stranger: in my sense, you're not going to understand regardless.

Stranger: so goodbye.

You: Because I don't base my moral code on poetry.

Stranger: you base it on what you've been told.

Stranger: even better.

Stranger: you are not capable of thinking.

Stranger: which is sad.

You: I base it off of what is true.

You: If you gave me reasons I'd believe.

You: All you have is "I think science is wrong"

Stranger: I never said that.

You: If you disagree with science, write a paper and get it peer-reviewed and published.

You: You're just as bad as the Creationists.

Stranger: your an ass, and pathetic. learn how to think foryourself.

You: I do not think unbounded by reality.

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