Try playing dumb

Stranger: i mean that by 1 moth the babby looks like a babby.

You: and it doesnt b4?

Stranger: not really i mean like 1 o 2 weeks after the babby is made its not really a babby

You: how?

Stranger: like how i see it its not a babby its just some mush that will become a babby.... but thats just how i think

You: just some mush?

You: lmao

You: its the same baby just younger

Stranger: see and thats how u think lol

You: well no its fact

Stranger: ok ok lol

You: i mean the sperm and egg and dna and stuff

You: argh i know this

You: we're learning about sexual reproduction in school

You: lemme find my book

Stranger: lol i know what you are saying lol i just pro choice

You: ok found it

Stranger: do u know what pro choice is?

You: its a company right?

You: what the pros choose

Stranger: no lo

Stranger: lol*

You: ok here it is

You: when the sperm and egg unite, a new unique organism is created

You: a new member of the parents' species

You: it says i and every other sexually reproduced organism started life as a single cell

You: and we grew and developed and stuff

You: and now we're bigger and everything

You: but no its not a bunch of mush lmao

You: its just a younger us :)

Stranger: it means that i think its the choice of the mother to have a abortion

You: i dont blame u i had to look it up

Stranger: no i know that its a babby im not dumb ll

Stranger: lol*

You: ok

You: but yeah ofc its the moms choice

You: doesnt make it the right choice

Stranger: lol well i think sometimes it might be

You: really?

Stranger: see your like in the middle of pro choice and pro life

You: huh?

You: i mean its my choice to go and shoot my mom that doesnt make it ok

Stranger: pro life is that its never right to kill a babby like that and that nothers should not be able to do that

You: oh no they shouldnt

You: moms shouldnt kill their kids b4 or after birth

You: seems kinda obvious 2 me

Stranger: right they never really should but its up to the mom

You: so if a mom kills their toddler is that up to her?

Stranger: no a toddler is 2-4 and it is a funchunight kid

You: funchunight?

You: i mean its the same kid just older

Stranger: well ya it is but at 2 weeks in it has no brain.

Stranger: i think after 2 weeks u should not

Stranger: u know what forget it lol noone will ever win the fight

You: half the duys on her have no brain lmao

You: guys^

You: y do u need a brain?

Stranger: lol and there u are right

You: y is that important

Stranger: idk forgetit i said lol noone will win this fight no one ever duz

You: hey thats not true

You: lots of fights have been won

You: like slavery

Stranger: not about this lol

You: and women voting

Stranger: and yes im happy they won that one or i would not be herelol

You: i mean look @ history

Stranger: the slavery one lol

You: yeah

You: all the fights will be won eventually

You: they wont be won as soon if we nevertalk about it

Stranger: lol im talking about the pro life .v. pro choice

You: well obviously u cant choose to take som1s life

Stranger: everyone killd for slavery someone choose to kill them

You: and that was bad

Stranger: but you just said u cant

You: ok you shouldnt

Stranger: well sometimes u have to

You: i mean u CAN do lots of things

You: i COULD rob a gun store and shoot up my town

Stranger: like i said no one will win this fght

You: but violence isnt te answer

Stranger: fight*

You: history will march forwards

You: they used to say no1 would ever win slavery or civil rights fite

Stranger: ok 2 weeks ageo this guy came up to me and grabed me hetryed to take my $ i hit him in the face and pushed him over was that bd of me?

You: no that was self defense

You: babies r innocent

Stranger: but i dont think they are babies at that age yet]

You: well ok fine but theyre definitely human

Stranger: so agen i say no one will win this less there is a war and then 1000s to 10000s of people will die because of hit

Stranger: it*

You: was there a war to win civil rights?

Stranger: yes there was

You: there was just a bunch of sitting on busses and stuffs

Stranger: and 1000s died in it

You: no that was slavery

You: civil rights was 1960s

Stranger: what about the 3 boys tha wnet down and got killed they dide

You: thats not a war thats just murder

You: ok found the definition of baby

You: http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=baby

You: S: (n) baby (an unborn child; a human fetus) "I felt healthy and very feminine carrying the baby"; "it was great to feel my baby moving about inside"

You: ok what about women voting

You: there wasnt a women voting war

You: it was just an amendment

Stranger: ok so idc wats if a girl aboyt your age gets raped and she is prego should she have the babby and have to take care of it and all that shit?

You: oh thats awful :(

You: i hope the rapist dies in a fire with sticks in his eyeballs

You: but its not the baby's fault

Stranger: ok u said noone should die

Stranger: there u just said that that guy should die

You: no1 innocent should die

Stranger: aot of innocent people die because of people that are pro life

You: & i didnt say he should die i just said i wanted him to

Stranger: thats the same thing

You: theres lots of ppl i want to die that shouldnt

Stranger: so why do u want them to die?

You: because i hate them

Stranger: are u religious?

You: emotionally i want them to but logically i know they shouldnt

You: naw

Stranger: is that a no?

You: yes thats a no

Stranger: ok then do u think theres a God?

Stranger: or gods

You: honestly no

Stranger: oh ok well thats cool lol :D

You: i mean its not a big thing 4 me

Stranger: i have not picked if i think thereis one or not

You: yeah i think it doesn but its not like my life centers arounf that

Stranger: ok i see

You: yd u ask?

Stranger: just wanted to know lol

You: ok

You: but anyway yeah rapist = evil

You: baby =innocent

Stranger: ok im dun cuz i know there will be no winer lol

You: there will be but probably not for several years

Stranger: ok ;)

You: but in the meantime we need to teach girls kung fu so they dont get raped

Stranger: lol :D

Stranger: ok

You: that would be so awesome

Stranger: lol i know some marshall arts

You: guy goes up to rape a little girl and she ties him in a knot

Stranger: lol :D

You: if the girl gets pregnant does the rapist get charged with extra crimes?

You: i hope he does

You: he raped her and he forced her to become a mom and he abandoned his kid

Stranger: no but he will not be looked at any better by who ever is sayinf how muh time he gets

You: yeah

Stranger: so they might give him more time

You: but anyway no its no the kid's fault their dad was a jerk

Stranger: ya i know....

You: so... yeah.

You: i mean if the mom's gonna die and its her or her and the baby thats a different issue

You: but otherwise i think no matter the hardship thats no excuse 4 homicide

Stranger: well ha i wish i could talk to u more this was fun but iv gtg and i give you a had you are a grate debater.

You: huh?

You: sorry that was worded weird

You: could you say that again?

You: you give me a had?

You: what?

Stranger: is in i clap for you lol

You: oh hand

You: yeah that makes a lot more sense

Stranger: oh i did not put in the n i did not see that sorry lol

You: oh ok

You: lol

You: yeah i dont think debates can go on 4ever

You: i def dont think they need war to solve them

0020

You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!

You: Hi.

Stranger: ni hao :D

You: How do you feel about abortion?

Stranger: i think its ...

Stranger: i dont know, depends on the circumstances

You: is there anything wrong with it?

Stranger: i think its like killing a baby in there sleep. if you were irresponsible and dumb enough to get pregnant in the first place then you should take responsibilty

You: when is it okay to kill a baby?

Stranger: but then again if you cant raise it properly its better off with abortion

You: Do you feel the same way about infanticide?

Stranger: never. maybe if it has serious issues and lives in pain and can never recover

You: What if they cant raise it properly

Stranger: then the baby will probably turn out very emotional unstable

You: would you support killing that baby?

Stranger: no.

You: why not?

Stranger: just because a child has emotional unstability is no reason for him or her to be put to death

Stranger: there are murders who arent put to death

Stranger: and you want to murder a emotional unstable child

Stranger: ?

You: no, you want to the murder the same baby a few months earlier for the same reason

Stranger: no. if the baby has issues such as physical issues and is in a lot of pain and will not recover

Stranger: not about emotional stability

You: Stranger: but then again if you cant raise it properly its better off with abortion

Stranger: maybe...

Stranger: i take tht back! :D

You: ok

Stranger: why do you ask?

You: because abortion has killed over a quarter of my generation.

Stranger: and so you randomly decieded to ask?

You: I, personally, could've been killed from late 1992 to mid 1993 because I was considered too young to deserve human rights.

Stranger: there is already over population

You: I agree.

You: Can we kill people to curb overpopulation?

You: Could I just go out and gun down my neighbors in the name of saving the planet?

You: We need to promote contraception and abstinence, and find more efficient ways to allocate our resources.

Stranger: killing those few people would do no good

You: What if I killed all the Jews?

You: Would that be okay?

Stranger: no. you dont want to go out and kill people who are already ther

You: Personally, I don't want to live in a society whose fruitfullness is payed for with the blood of the innocents

Stranger: you want to prevent over population by by stopping the amount of the later generation

You: Hence, contraception and abstinence

You: I do not believe in killing hte next generation

You: that is wrong

Stranger: preventing the amounts not by murder

You: I agree with that.

You: However, it is just as unacceptable to kill the next generation in utero as it is to kill them ex utero.

You: I totally agree we need to stop breeding so damn fast

You: But we can't kill each other; that would be wrong

Stranger: thats why there are laws in china, restricting one child per person

Stranger: *per family

You: Good in theory, but in practice it gets terrible

You: forced sterilizations, forced late term abortions and all

Stranger: true

Stranger: but if i look around there are few people ... chinese people that i know of with brothers and sisters

You: Anyway, I agree that overpopulation is an issue, but mass homicide is not the answer

You: We need to learn to solve our problems without violence.

Stranger: i never thought it was

Stranger: violence should never be the answer

Stranger: if it is your not asking the right question

You: You support violence against unborn boys and girls as the answer to overpopulation

Stranger: i never said that

You: Then why bring up overpopulation in the first place?

Stranger: conversational piece

You: It was a red herring completely unrelated to the topic at hand.

Stranger: ... i dont know what to say to that ^^

Stranger: how old are you?

You: I am REDACTED.

You: You?

Stranger: guess

You: 19?

Stranger: why do you guess that?

You: Average Omegler's age.

Stranger: im 13

You: oh

Stranger: didnt you think i seemed a little slow for a 19 year old

You: But, yeah, I don't think it's acceptable to take someone's life for financial reasons either.

You: IDK

Stranger: haha :)

Stranger: you shouldnt.

You: Most people I speak to can be pretty slow.

Stranger: hehe :) wow, you know how to make people feel good about themselves xD

You: LOL

Stranger: lol xD

Stranger: maybe there not slow but just seem so because they are on a chatting website where they are just trying to have some fun conversations

You: hey this one dude said it would be morally acceptable if i murdered him painlessly and replaced him with a robot

You: but that eating chocolate is wrong if it makes anyone upset

Stranger: .... HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :)

Stranger: i love omeglers :D

Stranger: &#lt;3

You: i have the whole conversation archived if yyou wanna read it

Stranger: its okay :)

Stranger: i have some pretty funny ones too myself

Stranger: but thats because im immature ^^

You: lol

You: so do you really think abortion is okay if the parents cant raise the kid?

Stranger: no

You: ok cool

You: how do u feel about the death penalty?

Stranger: its hypocritical

You: oh same

You: what about abortion in the case of rape?

Stranger: ... oh god, thats hard

Stranger: i would have to say that would be okay

You: Psychologically, it's hard.

Stranger: yes

Stranger: thats what i mean

You: Rape is a despicable crime and rapists are the scum of the earth

Stranger: imagine having to raise the child you had because someone raped you

You: So you oppose the death penalty, except for on innocent babies for the crimes of their fathers?

You: A convicted serial killer lives, but an innocent baby dies?

Stranger: ahh! you make it so hard to answer!

Stranger: what would you do!

You: I would do adoption.

Stranger: would you want to keep the baby?

You: While the rape is a terrible crime, it's not the baby's fault.

Stranger: mhm

Stranger: the connection will implode soon

Stranger: you do know that right

You: In fact, the baby was abandoned by his father so hes sorta a victim too

Stranger: /:

You: why will it implode?

Stranger: it just does, anytime i talk to someone for too long

Stranger: it implodes

You: oh ok

You: well email 0020 to REDACTED to continue

Stranger: lol okay

Stranger: some people are so rude ):

You: huh?

Stranger: i omegling other people

Stranger: and i said ni hao :D have you seen my pet dinosaur anywhere? ive despretly been trying to find him

Stranger: and they disconnected ):

Stranger: haha

You: lol

You: Well I hope I've made you think about your views.

You: oh one more thing

Stranger: ni hao :D have you seen my pet dinosaur anywhere? ive despretly been trying to find him
stranger: vampire this

Stranger: lol xd

Stranger: yes yes yes :d

Stranger: what is it

Stranger: ?

You: the disabled babies thing

Stranger: mhm

Stranger: mhmmmmmm

Stranger: it would have to

Stranger: be a serious serious serious disabilty

Stranger: that would cause them

You: do people with disabilities loose their right to live?

You: can I go to all the special ed classes and just shoot them?

Stranger: no, but if you live your whole life in pain. living off a machine you would want to die

Stranger: not that kind of disability

You: You don't know what I would want.

You: You have no right to make that decision for me.

Stranger: you annoy me, your to smart for your own good

You: Would you be okay with a compromise, where we do not offer futile care, but we refrain from outright homicide and offer basic care such as food and water?

You: Meaning we don't just keep people alive on machines but don't kill them by abortion either?

Stranger: okay

You: Or where we keep them alive, but offer medication to stop pain

Stranger: if there was medication then you wouldnt kill them

Stranger: obviously

You: Because I think we need to be saving lives, not deciding some are not worth living.

Stranger: everyone has equal worth

You: We shouldn't choose death for anyone.

Stranger: no matter race, gender or whatever else

You: Even if we think we would like to die in that situation

You: because we can't project our wishes onto them

Stranger: but if THEY want to die

You: If they want to die, go ahead.

Stranger: but how would you knmow?

You: just dont force any doctors to participate and make sure the patient wasnt pressured into it

You: they would need to give consent

You: babies clearly dont consent

You: i have the same problem with infant circumcision

Stranger: well maybe there parents want something and pressure them

Stranger: ...

You: "make sure the patient wasnt pressured into it"

Stranger: that is the parents desicion i guess

Stranger: well how can you tell

Stranger: that they werent pressured

Stranger: or threatened even

You: how do you threaten someone to kill themselves

Stranger: maybe they want to live

You: commit suicide or imma kill you!

Stranger: but it would cost too much

Stranger: so people persuade them

Stranger: to dieee

You: We need health reform

Stranger: its the same problem they had with old people

You: It should never be "too expensive to live"

Stranger: yes but some people

Stranger: dont think that way

Stranger: not everyone is moral

You: I know.

Stranger: there are many unethical people

Stranger: in the world

You: I know.

You: But, yeah, I have no problem with consentual suicide.

You: But taking someone's life without consent is not suicide

You: This includes infanticide/abortion.

Stranger: MURDERRR

You: I believe that health care should protect, save, and prolong life, not take it.

You: You don't cure patients by killing them, even infant and unborn patients.

You: Actually, that's not even an "I believe"

You: that's the definition of health care

Stranger: mhm

You: So even if the baby has "problems", its wrong 3 kill him/her

Stranger: uh huh

You: 2^

Stranger: ^^

You: I would prefer, actually, that we did take all measures necessary to prolong life, even "a machine"

You: lots of people depend on dialysis machines

You: or resperators

You: or pacemakers

Stranger: yes yes ye s

Stranger: i know

You: i dont think needing help to stay alive makes you subhuman

Stranger: im not completley dim

You: we all need help to varying degrees

Stranger: uh huh

Stranger: okay, bye

You: bye

You: you have my email if u have any more thoughts

You: 0020

You: cya :D

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You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!

You: Hello, Stranger.

Stranger: hello

You: How do you feel about abortion?

Stranger: ive never had one..

You: Do you think it's a bad thing?

Stranger: can be

You: Can be?

You: Why?

Stranger: when used for real late birth control

You: What's wrong about that?

Stranger: well if its a rape case or kid with be born really deformed is 1 thing..

You: So, does abortion kill a kid?

Stranger: well it doesnt buy him a pony...

You: Okay.

Stranger: y u ask?

You: Do you think that people with disabilities are subhuman and should be killed?

Stranger: i work with subhumans that should be killed...

You: You do?

Stranger: lmao...yep

You: You think disabled people should all be murdered?

Stranger: no....i just said i work with subhumans

You: Like, what?

Stranger: u have no humor about you i see

You: Well, that's a terrible thing to say about anyone.

Stranger: are you a subhuman?

You: No, I am not.

You: I'm a human being.

Stranger: r u deformed?

You: No, but how does being deformed make it okay to murder you?

Stranger: ohhh refering back you my earlier staement?

You: Yeah.

Stranger: depends on the extent of the deformity

Stranger: they term quality of life comes into play

You: Who are you to judge anyone else unworthy of life?

Stranger: so if you had a child with no perception of its surroundings kept alive on a machine...thats a quality life?

You: That's not up to me to decide.

You: Okay, on to the other one.

You: You said that babies conceived of rape can be killed?

Stranger: so you would keep a vegetative lfe on a machine indefinately?

Stranger: they CAN be any conceived baby CAN be...

You: Stranger: well if its a rape case or kid with be born really deformed is 1 thing..

You: I think we all agree rape is a terrible, horrible, despicable crime, but it's not the kid's fault.

Stranger: you strive hard to prove a 1 sided point

You: I do think that it is okay to allow a baby to die naturally.

You: However, there is a difference between that and killing the baby by abortion.

Stranger: "kid" the kid up to a point has no level of awareness

You: What do you mean by "awareness"?

Stranger: do you remember 3 days after being conceived?

Stranger: were you awre that you were a being/

You: I don't remember 3 years after being born!

Stranger: so the idea that a life was taken is up to interpretation

You: Have you ever had surgery?

Stranger: or a form that would eventually become a life..

Stranger: yes

You: What kind?

Stranger: why?

You: Were you put under anesthesia?

Stranger: is this an attempt to prove something?

Stranger: no

You: Well, people under anesthesia aren't aware.

Stranger: and?

You: Does that make them dead?

Stranger: i do find your line of questioning more interesting than the usual online chatter

You: You can be alive without being aware.

You: We all do it every night.

You: If the kid wasn't alive, he wouldn't need food from his mom.

Stranger: you are trying to show proficiency at mincing words...

Stranger: so i must ask...why the concern about abortion? ever had one? know someone that did?

You: I don't see how anyone can NOT be concerned.

You: It's killed over a third of my generation.

You: ^a quarter

Stranger: is it an overwhelming concern in your life? do you have other big concerns?

You: I do have other concerns, but abortion is the biggest.

You: No other thing kills over a million people every year.

Stranger: i think if people were responsible, abortion wouldn't be anyones concern

You: Yeah, but people aren't responsible.

You: The least we can do is stop them from being violent.

Stranger: "we"?

You: Humanity.

You: Society.

You: Governments.

Stranger: why and how must "W

Stranger: we"?

Stranger: ''"we"

You: Why is because we need to stand up for one another.

You: Just like we ban rape and child abuse.

Stranger: and that will stop abortions?

You: Not entirely.

You: But it will drastically reduce them.

Stranger: interesting concept

You: The rest can be prevented by adeqate social programs

Stranger: and it will take drunk drivers of the road

You: such as a living wage and universal health care

You: Huh?

Stranger: by doing away with alcohol

[Conversation drifts away and I'm confused.]