Thursday, May 27, 2010

then go ahead, shoot it

You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
Stranger: HI
You: Hey there, Stranger.
You: How do you feel about abortion?
Stranger: It really brings out the kid in you
You: That was a horrible pun.
Stranger: :(
You: Seriously, though.
Stranger: I am fort it
Stranger: for it*
You: Why?
Stranger: Because I don't want fucked up kids walking around my neighbourhood
Stranger: HURR DURR I LIKE CAT *eats cat*
You: Then why stop at birth?
You: Why not shoot the little fuckers?
Stranger: Hell yeah
Stranger: shot it
Stranger: shoot it*
Stranger: And they get awards and privileges
Stranger: Cripple burns down school, It's alright your special - Regular Person burns down school, Jail
Stranger: And what do you think of abortion?
You: It's bad.
Stranger: And how so?
Stranger: ???
You: It's as bad as killing any person.
Stranger: But it isn't really a person
Stranger: it's like...a 1/4 person
You: How so?
You: It's the same person as a toddler, just younger.
Stranger: It's a fetus
You: Yes, and used to be an embryo and will be a toddler.
You: A fetus is a fetus and a toddler is a toddler; both are just different age ranges.
Stranger: Some teens also get pregnant very young
Stranger: so it can lead to 1 problem going away
Stranger: You don't want to be taking care of a kid while you are in high school
You: So someone should be killed for a mistake someone else made before they even existed?
Stranger: Yes
Stranger: For the sake of the pregnant girl
Stranger: You are smart, fellow stranger, I applaud you
You: So it's okay to kill an innocent person to make someone else's life easier?
Stranger: This "innocent person" was a mistake
Stranger: and is unwanted
You: So anyone who isn't wanted can be killed?
Stranger: In this case yes
Stranger: In other cases no
You: Why is this case special?
Stranger: Because to make an unwanted mistake dissapear to make life easier
You: If a dad realizes his daughter was a mistake, can he shoot her?
Stranger: He would go to jail, because it is a crime
Stranger: It's too late
You: Why is it too late?
You: Maybe he just found out about his daughter.
Stranger: Well if he would have realized this before she was born
You: Maybe her mother just found him and started asking for child support.
Stranger: Then get her child support
Stranger: but if nothing else can happen
Stranger: then it's an abortiobn
Stranger: abortion
You: But he can't get rid of an unwanted mistake to make life easier?
Stranger: He can
Stranger: Let's make a scenario and discuss it, A male and a female find out that the girl is pregnant at age 18, the male - know he can't take care of it - leaves his wife, in this situation it may be ok to get an abortion
Stranger: leaves his girlfriend*
Stranger: not wife
You: Okay.
You: And?
Stranger: And, abortion is okay in this situation
You: No, it is not.
You: What exactly did the baby do to deserve death?
Stranger: Nothing
Stranger: what did it to do deserve life?
You: What did a toddler do to deserve life?
Stranger: He wasn't a mistake, his parents liked him/her
You: What if the toddler was a mistake?
You: And his parents hate him?
Stranger: Then abortion
You: Why can't you kill him as a toddler?
Stranger: Because you would go to jail
Stranger: Because you took the life of something, in abortion you don't exactly take the life, you just make sure it doesnt continue to develop
You: Shooting him would stop the toddler from continuing to develop.
Stranger: but the toddler has a life
Stranger: the fetus doesn't exactly have a life
Stranger: it's still forming
You: The toddler is still forming too.
You: Not all his systems will be up and running until puberty.
Stranger: but it has a life
You: And the fetus doesn't?
You: Is the fetus dead?
Stranger: It's not living
Stranger: What is the purpose of this questioning?
You: If the fetus isn't living what's the umbilical cord for?
You: Dead things don't need food, water, and oxygen.
You: Dead cells don't divide either.
Stranger: =/
Stranger: Abortions are to make lives easier, the baby is unwanted and can't be taken care of or the parents don't want to take care of it
You: So what if killing an unwanted toddler makes your life easier?
Stranger: Well if it survives through birth, then it is most likely wanted
Stranger: Yes kiling an unwanted toddler can be easier
Stranger: killing*
You: Should parents be allowed to kill unwanted newborns?
Stranger: They can give it away
Stranger: Or abort it
You: Should parents be allowed to kill unwanted newborns if they can't care for them and killing them would make their lives easier?
Stranger: Yes
You: Should parents be allowed to kill unwanted toddlers if they can't care for them and killing them would make their lives easier?
Stranger: Yes
You: Should parents be allowed to kill unwanted kindergarteners if they can't care for them and killing them would make their lives easier?
Stranger: If it's there's?
Stranger: We are talking about the fetus, not the newborns or toddlers?
You: Should parents be allowed to kill their unwanted kindergarteners if they can't care for them and killing them would make their lives easier?
Stranger: No
You: How come?
Stranger: Because you can go to jail for it
Stranger: You can do it, you will just pay the consequences
You: Should it be legal?
Stranger: No
Stranger: That would promote murder
You: Why not?
You: Why can't the unwanted kindergartener be killed but the unwanted newborn can?
Stranger: The unwanted newborn can't
Stranger: Again, it's murder
You: What's the difference?
Stranger: Between
You: Between the newborn baby and the unborn baby.
Stranger: Unborn baby is unwanted and was a mistake, if it survived through that and is now a newborn that it is obviously wanted
You: I'm taking about unwanted newborns.
Stranger: Unborn baby = Abortion, Newborn,toddler, etc. = Give away
You: Not everyone finds out they're pregnant by the time they're giving birth.
Stranger: then give it away
You: Adoption takes a while.
Stranger: Well wait it out
You: Why can't the pregnant lady just wait it out and give up the baby?
Stranger: Maybe because she doesn't want pain when giving birth
Stranger: or maybe she wants to take flights but can't
You: There's a lot of trouble raising an infant too.
You: Why suffer that and wait for adoption when a bullet would solve their problem?
Stranger: Because then you can go to jail
You: If abortion was illegal, would that make it wrong?
Stranger: Make what wrong?
You: Abortion.
Stranger: I guess so,yeah
Stranger: but different countries have different laws
You: If it was legal to kill kindergarteners, would that make killing kindergarteners right?
Stranger: Not everything legal is right
Stranger: Marijuana can be legal but is still wrong
You: Okay, but everything illegal is wrong?
Stranger: Well, name something
You: You said that if abortion was illegal, it would become wrong.
Stranger: becuase you would have to face the consequence of going to jail
You: But would that make it WRONG?
Stranger: Yes
You: Should it be illegal to kill kindergarteners?
Stranger: It is illegal...
You: SHOULD it be?
Stranger: If it isn't yes, if it is keep it that way
You: Okay, should it be illegal to kill newborns?
Stranger: same answer
You: Okay, should it be illegal to kill unborn babies?
Stranger: No, if the parents know they will have a big difficulty raising it,they can get rid of it
Stranger: And, stem cells help people
You: But they can't kill a newborn baby if they know they will have a big difficulty raising it?
Stranger: Too late
You: Why?
Stranger: because it is already born into the world
You: So?
You: It's not like the fetus wasn't in the world before birth.
Stranger: the newborn is living his life
Stranger: it isn't born into the world
You: The unborn baby is living his life too.
Stranger: But when you grow up, on your birthday you don't say I'm 16 and 9 months old
You: I do.
Stranger: Your birthday isn't when your parents had sex, it's when you were born
You: I measure my age from my estimated date of conception.
You: Whenever I use my natal age, I specify it as such.
Stranger: Well, most people don't
You: But that's a cultural phenomenon that's got nothing to do with the moral worth of the unborn child.
Stranger: =/
You: Not all cultures measure age from birth.
Stranger: But most do
You: So?
You: You seriously think cultures have never been wrong?
You: What about when we embraced slavery?
You: Or racism in general?
You: Or sexism?
Stranger: Slavery gets shit done
Stranger: But would you say that abortion would be right for one of your friends who is 16 years old, still in school, failing her classes and already has a kid?
You: No.
Stranger: What would you recommend?
You: I'd recommend she find a local pregnancy resource center, and I'd do what I could to help her with adoption.
Stranger: What if she doesnt want to carry a baby for 9 months
Stranger: then end up leaving it
You: Then I'd suggest induced labor once viability is reached.
You: What if parents of an infant don't want to take care of the baby while adoption is sorted out?
Stranger: If adoption is sorted out then get rid of it
You: Yes, but adoption takes time,
You: In the meantime, they may not want to take care of the baby and then give her up.
Stranger: in what way, give her up?
You: For adoption.
Stranger: well then they'll have to wait it out
You: But what if they don't want to wait it out?
Stranger: Then what choices do they have?
You: They could shoot the kid.
Stranger: THey can't
You: Why not?
Stranger: Because they would get improsined
You: Why should they be imprisoned if they were just getting rid of a mistake?
Stranger: No
You: What if they don't want to feed and clothe a baby until adoption is finalized
You: then end up leaving it
Stranger: Then that's there choice
You: Should they be allowed to shoot the baby?
Stranger: No
You: Why not?
Stranger: Because it's murder
You: The baby is a mistake that they just want to get rid of.
You: Adoption would take time and require more effort.
Stranger: I smell bacon
Stranger: well as soon as it's born
Stranger: they can't kill it
You: Why not?
Stranger: It is illegal, I don't make laws
You: I didn't ask if it was allowed; I asked if it SHOULD be allowed.
Stranger: It should be allowed, abortion is allowed, murder isn't
You: Now, I've got nothing against vaginas, but passing through one doesn't change who you are.
Stranger: But all I know is once you pass through it, you can't be aborted, unless you are being aborted
You: Why is it okay to kill the baby on one side of the birth canal but not on the other?
Stranger: I'm not sure
You: It's the same baby.
You: It just moved.
Stranger: Well, I don't know stranger
You: If you're going to use it to justify killing people, you should know.
Stranger: I'm just for it
You: Okay imagine this.
You: Do you hunt?
Stranger: No
Stranger: But go on
You: Are you okay with hunting?
Stranger: Yeah
You: Okay.
You: Imagine this.
You: A hunter is out hunting with a few of his buddies and they decide to spread out.
You: One hunter sees a bush rustling, but doesn't know if it's a deer or a person.
You: Should he shoot?
Stranger: No
Stranger: Why risk losing a friend just for hunting?
You: Okay.
You: Imagine this, then.
You: Would you demolish a building if you didn't know if there was anyone inside?
Stranger: No
You: Would you say either of these actions (shooting the bush or demolishing the building) should be allowed?
Stranger: Unless proper information be given, then it shouldn't be allowed
You: Well.
You: You are unable to explain why changing location makes it wrong to kill the same baby.
You: Should we not air on the side of caution as with the hunter and demolition technician?
Stranger: I don't know why, neither do you
Stranger: I'm for it though
Stranger: Normally as the demoltion tech, you would be given info that all is clear
You: Yes, but before you get that info you can't blow it up.
Stranger: Yeah
Stranger: And before you get info whether it is a deer or person, you shouldn't shoot
You: But you can abort when you don't know if it's a person or not?
Stranger: It's a person
Stranger: It just...
You: Then why can it be killed?
Stranger: Because it is the mothers choice
Stranger: it is inside her
You: Why isn't it the mother's choice for the born baby?
Stranger: if a mother says "I need a heart transplant" she can do it, but if you give a random person a heart transplant without them even asking, you can't do it
Stranger: Because it isn't inside her anymore
You: She never asked the baby if it wanted to die.
Stranger: The mother can do anything to the baby when it inside her
Stranger: she can smoke,drink and abort
You: So she can murder anyone who's inside her?
Stranger: It is her "property" i guess you can put it, so yes
You: So all you need to do to own someone is to put them in your body?
Stranger: Not that way
Stranger: But it is in her ownership
Stranger: you can have a dog
Stranger: and have it put down
Stranger: because it is of your ownership
You: The fetus never asked to be in her body; its location and dependency are a result of actions beyond its control.
Stranger: The dog never asked to be bought
Stranger: Well it's too bad for it
Stranger: the sperm cell moved into the vagina
Stranger: which was unwanted
You: So anyone can kill anyone else that's inside them?
Stranger: yes
Stranger: Because it's their body
You: So if I put you in my body, I could kill you?
Stranger: How would you do that?
Stranger: You don't take what I say to the extreme
Stranger: you keep it simple
You: It doesn't matter how I do it.
You: Would it be okay?
Stranger: To abort yes, to put something in your body JUST to kill ity
Stranger: no
Stranger: it*
You: Why not?
You: You say it's fine to kill someone in your body even if you put them there in the first place.
You: Someone doesn't magically become property because of where they are.
Stranger: The mother has rights to do anything she wants to herself
You: But not to someone else.
Stranger: The government doesn't care about what's inside the mother therefore they let her do what she wants
You: The government didn't always care about women.
Stranger: Are you male or female?
You: It use to not technically be considered "rape" if done by her husband.
You: I'm female.
You: But that really doesn't matter.
Stranger: Well let's just say a girl was raped, and now is pregnant
You: Let's say I was male. I'm making the same argument.
Stranger: would you say an abortion would be necessary?
You: No, I would not. I know plenty of women who were concieved in rape.
Stranger: The child, being born, would have to live with the guilt of having his dad be a criminal and never seeing him. Being a mistake
You: They aren't subhuman because of a crime committed before they existed.
Stranger: Made from the pain of the mothe
Stranger: mother*
Stranger: I'm not saying they are subhuman
Stranger: but can you imagine living with that in your head?
You: I don't have to; I have friends who do.
Stranger: Your friends were born from rape?
You: Not all of my friends, of course.
Stranger: Yeah I know that
Stranger: but one was?
You: A couple.
You: Juda was concieved when her mother was gangraped by 8 men.
Stranger: O.O
You: She donsn't feel guilty for what happened before she existed.
Stranger: Guilty was the wrong word to use
Stranger: I just mean't living with your dad being a criminal, not seeing him, knowing your a mistake
You: Irene was concieved of rape and later aborted a rape baby, which she really regrets.
Stranger: You were not meant to be, what you are now
You: She's glad she's alive.
You: You're sure quick to make judgements about who is worthy of not being killed.
Stranger: You are just saying it because of your friends
Stranger: What did other Strangers say to your question, or am I your first?
You: What do you mean?
Stranger: Did you ask this question to other people?
Stranger: on omegle
You: Yeah, a few.
Stranger: And what did they say?
You: Some were for, some against.
You: Some were just trolls.
Stranger: Some were trolls, lol, I was expecting all trolls
You: LOL
Stranger: And, I'm just curious, why are you asking this?
You: Some were real flaky and couldn't answer my questions.
Stranger: lol
You: I'm asking because Omegle deserves more intelligent conversations.
Stranger: Instead of "m or f, ur an f? wana cyber?!?!?"
You: Exactly.
You: But being conceived of rape in no way makes you unworthy of life.
Stranger: I know
Stranger: But if the mother doesn't want her child growing up with these thoughts
Stranger: or maybe she wasn't ready to raise a child
You: So a baby can be killed if she MAY grow up with some unhappy thoughts?
Stranger: In any situation, would you recommend an abortion to anyone?
Stranger: Well maybe the mother doesn't want her/him to suffer, or just because she can't support a child
Stranger: not because being a rape baby makes you subhuman and unworthy of life
You: That assumes they'll suffer.
You: And everyone's gonna suffer in their life. We don't have a crystal ball to tell how much.
Stranger: In any situation would you recommend an abortion?
You: It depends on how you define abortion.
You: If in trying to save one's life, the other dies, that is tragic but acceptable.
Stranger: What do you mean?
Stranger: I mean killing the baby
You: If the baby dies in an attempt to save the mother's life, that is okay.
Stranger: ok
You: All effort should go towards saving both lives.
Stranger: Would you recommend an abortion if you think parents aren't suitable for taking on a child?
Stranger: Say the mother smokes and drinks while the father does drugs and beats his wife, always cheating on her
You: No more than I would recommend infanticide for the same couple.
You: If they can't kill their newborn baby for reason X, they cannot kill their unborn baby for reason X.
Stranger: Okay
You: I find it absurd to class a person as property.
Stranger: =/
You: And, frankly, I find it offensive.
Stranger: So you find what I say offensive?
You: Yes.
Stranger: :(
Stranger: But people have been property for hundreds of years
Stranger: and some can still be
You: So slavery was okay?
Stranger: back then
Stranger: it was
You: What?
Stranger: A long time ago, slavery was okay
You: It's not okay any more?
Stranger: In some places it could be
You: So all that needs to happen for abortion to not be okay is for people to agree that it's not okay?
Stranger: I guess so
Stranger: People fought against slavery
You: So was the Holocaust okay?
Stranger: whether it was black people or white people
You: People are fighting against abortion.
Stranger: so htye abolished it in most countries
Stranger: Yes
Stranger: I know
Stranger: But some people don't care
Stranger: Because it doesn't affect them in any way
You: Ah.
You: Wait.
You: The Holocaust was okay‽
Stranger: No
Stranger: Some people may believe it was
Stranger: it can be argued
Stranger: just like we are argueing now
Stranger: But abortion isn't really a big thing
Stranger: Slavery was huge
Stranger: starting a 5 year war
You: There was only a war because people opposed slavery.
You: Without the abolitionists, the Civil War couldve been avoided
Stranger: But with how it affected so many people
Stranger: someone always has to oppose something
You: Abortion KILLED so many people
You: Abortion makes the Holocaust look like a box of kittens.
Stranger: Holocaust was worse
You: Do you know how many people died in the Holocaust?
Stranger: 7 million
You: 11 million.
You: 6 million Jews.
You: Do you know how many people are killed by abortion every year?
Stranger: But this isn't done by one man, or one organization
You: No, but it is still done.
Stranger: But the problem is too many people dont care
Stranger: and if a war is started, who will it go against?
Stranger: Hospitals?
You: Lots of people didn't care about the Holocaust.
You: It took Pearl Harbor to bring the US into WW2
Stranger: But the holocaust didn't start because of a war
You: Actually, that's debatable.
You: The Nazis wouldn't have been able to come to power so easily without WW1.
Stranger: I guess it can be
Stranger: But the war started before the holocaust
You: It was the forced raparations and economic destabilization that lead to the Holocaust.
You: But that's off topic.
You: You think that a person can be property?
Stranger: No
Stranger: I just couldn
Stranger: I just couldnt put it in any other way
You: You said the baby was her property.
Stranger: The mother has full control of the baby that she is feeding and taking care of
You: Why?
You: I mean the parents are feeding and taking care of the newborn while adoption is sorted out.
Stranger: But that's until it is given away
You: And pregnancy is until birth.
You: Both are temporary conditions until custody can be given up.
You: Both involve a baby who you readily admit is a person.
Stranger: one would rather abort then wait for an adoption
You: What if they'd rather shoot the newborn than wait for adoption?
Stranger: then go ahead, shoot it
You: Really?
Stranger: Yeah
You: Go ahead and shoot the newborn baby?
Stranger: their choice not mine
You: How about shooting a kindergartener?
Stranger: Okay, shoot the kindergartener for no reason
Stranger: Go right into a school, find one and shoot it
You: Really?
Stranger: Yeah
Stranger: I don't know
Stranger: Again, it's their choice
You: You're not serious.
Stranger: I am serious...
Stranger: I have been serious through this whole chat
Stranger: Why would you bring in shooting kindergarteners, hell, why would you bring in shooting?
You: Because it's the same person as the baby, just older.
Stranger: So why shoot it?
You: Why not?
Stranger: A gun is expensive
You: If you've already got a gun, why not?
You: I mean abortion is expensive too.
Stranger: But you can risk going to jail
You: You can get a gun that will do the job for much less than an abortion.
You: If you have an abortion in the wrong country the same thing could happen
Stranger: So you are saying shooting kids with a gun is more efficient than abortion?
You: I'm saying it costs less.
You: And accomplishes a dead kid just the same.
Stranger: But with a chance of going to jail
You: If abortion was illegal, the same would apply to it.
Stranger: yes
You: Should parents be allowed to save money by shooting unwanted kids?
You: If not, why not?
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